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John Titor remarks ok??

What would happen to would markets, treaties....would the Fed. government use foriegn troops....nuke???

What would happen to would markets, treaties....would the Fed. government use foriegn troops....nuke???

This is a bit hard to follow.....you should ellaborate. But, would we use nukes against ourselves? Does that make any kind of sense to you? If we had a civil war, we wouldn't nuke ourselves.....think about it! Foreign troops? Why would we need foreign troops? It's not like our country is split half commnist and half democratic, so what purpoe would any foreign power have to get involved? What would motivate a foreign power to take one side or the other?

if america had a civil war americans would become extinct,america has way to much power to have a civil war.Im sure it would affect other countries cus america does provide a lot of things like goods to be shipped and jobs for people that want to start a better life

The rest of the world would be just fine if America imploded on itself. The world would probably improve, as it would be able to get on without U.S interference.

And yes it's very possible the U.S might use nukes on itself. It would be the sort of crazy American thing to do.

1. Would a event like civil war in america act like the beginning of a domino effect around the world. Would civil war flare up like in europe, South America, Canada?? The Western World seems to be controlled by big business...what if enough of thier citizens fought to bring about some change??

2. 120 million voted in the last elections. lets say 50 million rose up against the Fed. Government..Just what size of a army do you need to stop 5o million americans that are fighting mad?

NATO? U.N. peacekeepers?

Thank you both for relying to my post.

I agree that there won't be civil war. I don't see how that many American's can be bothered to take up arms against a perceived other side. Not only that, but the US gov would smack down both sides (in their minority glory) in a second. It is my opinion that the right to bear arms doesn't bother the US gov because an American populous which is armed still doesn't pose a significant threat to them. It's the smaller populated countries with smaller police and military forces that feel edgy about their citizens bearing arms.

Kinda ironic.

No offense, but but "as asked", the question is kind of absurd.

What are the assumptions here, that the US military splits into two or more factions led by warlords? That an insurgency is mounted by guerilla factions of citizens against the Federal Government? A replay of the original civil war but without any of the same issues that actually drove the first conflict? None of the above are very likely at all. I won't even go into the "nukes" question.

Do you mean more of an ideolgical divide such as the one that already exists between dems and repubs crippling the country and resulting in American isolationism while we deal with our own internal problems? If the US dropped out of the international scene and left things to everyone else, the rest world certainly wouldn't cease to function. Take away trade and commerce and more than a few foreign governments would face massive fiscal crises (look at trade imbalances between the US and other countries). Withdraw our troops from foreign soil and many volatile situations would erupt (think Korea). Withdraw US funding from the UN and watch massive cutbacks in international operations of all kinds. Pull out our investments from foreign markets and watch the resulting diminishment in value.

The US is not, and should not serve as, the collective conscience or morality police for the rest of the world. But our participation in the global strategies of so many different organizations and countries, regardles of the form of that participation, is a key to world stability. To suddenly remove the US for any reason (even a civil war) would cause a huge tumult.

For some interesting alternate history fiction, try reading Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove.

Canada would be toast! 90% of our population lives within 3 hours of the U.S. border. Just like Canadians supported Britian during your independence, then supported the North during the Civil war ( we even had Canadians serving as Generals for the North) we would probably do something stupid like support the most liberal politically correct side of the conflict because the U.S. is like 90% of our trade / exports. Or Canada would split as well, the Western Prov's in Canada & Quebec already have seperation parties trying to escape Comunist (I mean socialistic Imperial) Central Canada.
I could definitely see separation of western Canada if the Feds try to nationalize our energy resources like Trudeau's Liberals did in the past.

Yes.That'll revive "The Great Depression" because CURRENTLY alot of the global economy depends on the stability of the American economy.If they crash and burn,we crash and burn ten times harder.As simple as that.

However,the global economy would be in the hands if China and not the U.S some time in the future.That'll be a good sign in my view.

a civil war/revolution in the u.s. would have an affect over the rest of the world. countries would not have to worry about what the u.s. will do...and some countries would obviuosly help one side or the other in an american civil war/revolution. it would be like the 'bully on the block' went on vaction. i'm sure russia and china would take advantage of the situation.

as for a civil war/revolution starting....not now but give it 5-8 years. how long will the military continue to let itself be used by the govt as the world police force or should i say as AMERICAS self imposed world police force.
not everybody in the military is 'all for' the current use of the military.....
how long will Americans put up with the loss of thier freedoms and lies and misinformation and 'bad intel' by the govt?

there is a battle going on in AMERICA right now...and it is happening without one side knowing that it is happening and that they are lossing. it is the battle to keep the AMERICAN population docile, uncaring and most importantly ignorant about the direction and actions of the govt. as more time passes, i think sheople will begin to see that the ideological divide goes much deeper than just dem and rep. dem and rep divide is what is wanted to keep atention away from the real problem or solution. this is war that rages in AMERICA now....and the citizenry is losing.

AMERICANS tend to think that they are so knowledgable, so right, so moral but the reality is just the opposite. thier lives are so filled with 'pursiuts' that they don't want to rock the boat, change, upset the balance. they are content with just going with the flow even though they see a waterfall ahead.....................................for now

Ok to think your country is safe from ever ripping itself apart, lets use for example...What if all hispanics in the USA decided they wanna be apart of Mexico....or let say Islam Grows in the USA to a point were they want an islamic state...lol ok im strechin it with that one.

Whenn the 13 colonies rebelled from England, and won it lit a spark that still to this day hundreds perhaps thousands of civil wars or revolutions around the world have taken place since then. Look at what 20 terrorists were able to do on 9/11.

kinda like the circle completing its loop

Originally posted by kode
The rest of the world would be just fine if America imploded on itself. The world would probably improve, as it would be able to get on without U.S interference.

And yes it's very possible the U.S might use nukes on itself. It would be the sort of crazy American thing to do.

ok, let's do it then! if the US just cut all aid, withdrew all investments, withdrew all military, all exports, stopped imports, curbed travel, installed marshall law and a draft, and ignored the rest of the world, the world market would immediately sink so low all money on the planet would be useless except for it's weight in whatever metal was used to make it- except for the dollar. think about it, no rich americans paying to stay in hotels around the world, no rich military paying to keep a base on the property of another country, no military personnel buying goods in that country, no export/import into the US or out of it, meaning, no machinery leaving here, no weapons, no food, no cars, no computers, no TV, no intelligence, no sports, that means no imports, either, no more asian electronics, electrical appliances, motors, circuitboards, clothing, cars, no more european cars, no more foreign oil, no more african safaris, no more mexican vacations, no more US dollars spent anywhere in the world, but here in the US. the world would stop spinning. millions would die. wars would break out across the globe. pakistan and india would go at it big time. china would take taiwan in a second. north korea would take south korea, russia would take chechnya, ukraine, afghanistan, europe, etc. iran, syria and saudi arabia would tear iraq apart, take kuwait, and ready for war against isreal. mexico would try to invade the US, but fail miserably, most governments in the southern hemisphere would be braced for impact, but otherwise, relatively unchanged, other than the market crashing as none of their neighbors seem to feel as strongly as other parts of the world about taking one another over. when it is all finished, the US will emerge in much the same state it was in after the first civil war, destroyed, a million or more dead, smoudering cities as far as one could see, poor, but stable, used-up, but willing to deal. it would put the planet back in the dark ages, for a few decades, but we'd come out of it better than we went in.

of course, i don't want this to happen any time in the next 100-150 years, at least. but the divisions in this country got me a little scared during the november elections. if no one else remembers, i'll remind, not too long ago, a group called Replublic of Texas tried to get the state to cecede from the union, and i just found out, they are re-organizing as a lobby instead of a militia, after the unfortunate events they perpetrated. the cecession of states is the exact same thing that caused the first civil war. the cecession of states happened because rights were being expunged, the states were watching as those in washington just kept transferring the state's power to the federal government. this is happening to a much greater degree today. eventually, there will be no more individual states. the circumstances of revolution or civil war are in place in this country, but it won't happen because of 2 things. the only people willing to risk their lives for their country are already in the military and would fight on the fed government's side and the rest of the people are too damn lazy and comfortable.

Fledgling is right on most points. And, umm, NATO troops or UN peacekeepers involved in a US civil war? Umm, the US pretty much IS NATO, so no further comment there. Of course the rest of the world would be effected. For better or worse US has been called the "world policeman." Countries would go nuts invading and killing eachother. We'd see more ethnic cleansing all over the world because who's going to do anything about it? the UN? (Recall that for the UN to even consider a peacekeeping action a cease-fire must already be in place.) Taiwan would certainly assimilate back into China, South Korea would more than likely be no more. People say the US always interferes, and call that a bad thing but never looks at the good parts. And as much as many of you hate the US, what's good for the US is almost always good for the rest of the western (if not entire) world.

Also, the divisions between sides in a US conflict, as things are now, are not possible to geographically define. Sure, we've all seen the red/blue state maps showing the heartland goes red, but it's not like anyone got 100% (or, maybe in some tiny tiny isolated counties) or near of the vote. When you join the military you are not joining "The Army of Broward County Florida" You are joining the United States army. You will be trained by and with people from everywhere, not just your locale. You may be a liberal democrat from Los Angeles and your XO may be an evangelical conservative from Wyoming, while your CO is hardcore green party (heh heh.)

The whole idea reminds me of that article in the NYT (I think) speculating there may be a blue state versus red state civil war (HA!) - funny because it was a disgruntled liberal after the election who speculated this... But... what states have all the guns and most of the military personnel? Yep, that'd be a tough war.

Fledgling and Alpha hit it.


kode....you're an intelligent one aren't you?

I dont think it's fair to say the only poeple willing to risk their lives are already in the military. I would proudly serve my military if it werent currently being used to force western views on the rest of the world. I just believe the cause isnt WORTH fighting for. my personal freedom IS worth fighting for. I dont believe my freedom is at stake in our current conflict. I believe the percentage of Americans who feel the same way is grossly underestimated.

I hve seen some items in the news recently that bother me...what do you think?

www.rense.com...

www.prisonplanet.com...

www.msnbc.msn.com...

What about the un- patiot act...Where are the terrorist that have been brought to justice????

What about the talk of Texas becomming a independent contry?

What about the police in Florida tasering kids

Conditions are ripe for something to erupt.....if this happeneds in America....it will trickle down to Europe...possibly Asia

Dunno, I'll print up some "Nuke The Red States" T-shirts, and let you know how they sell

Originally posted by Heartagram
Yes.That'll revive "The Great Depression" because CURRENTLY alot of the global economy depends on the stability of the American economy.If they crash and burn,we crash and burn ten times harder.As simple as that.

However,the global economy would be in the hands if China and not the U.S some time in the future.That'll be a good sign in my view.

Uhm, the global economy will never be in one country's hand (that's a law). Without the US, there is still this big market called the EU, also India, Brasil and other smaller blocks/countries. China is coming, yes, and it will be a dominant player, but it will never hold the global economy in it's own. How can we buy Chinese goods if we don't have the money (read sell our own products) in the global economy? That's impossible. So everyone will be earning money on the global economy to buy each other's goods. It's a law no one can hold the global economy in it's own.

Also, a great depression caused by the US doesn't require a civil war in that country. Ask yourself why Asian central banks are turning some of their monetary reserves into Euro's now. Perhaps they are affraid of a possible crisis of the US economy?

But to answer the subject, yes a civil war in the US will destabilize the world as a civil war in example given the EU, China and Russia will destabilize the world.

Blobber



[edit on 7-4-2005 by Blobber]

but would it really be a "civil war" or a "revolution"? It is my understanding that a civil war would be a war amongest ourselves the people over certain issues. It seems for the most part that we are talking about a rise against our government. Isn't that more of a revolution? OR is it a matter of certain citizens "fighting" against other citizens who are defending the gov. What are we talking about here?

Just a thought...

Peace

It would certainly be a civil war because there are still more people who believe in what the media tells them as true. Also, many individuals are not willing to give up their luxeries that the government gives them. And those people who believe that the government is run by the elite are few in numbers, relatively speaking. Although it may not seem like it on ATS. I for one enjoy the freedoms that we have(like the right to bear arms, my fav). However, I don't agree with American foreign policy and eventually that will be the demise of this nation.