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originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: pavil
Link
Disparities were exceptionally pronounced in 61 cities across the nation, including three in North Carolina. That was true even when controlling for applicants' income, loan amount and neighborhood. The findings come after a year-long study of millions of Home Mortgage Disclosure Act records analyzed by WUNC, The Center for Investigative Reporting's Reveal Show, and the Associated Press.
So I'm listening to NPR and they are talking about this, specifically how the Community Reinvestment Act has been a joke for Decades, not really allowing residents, mainly Black and Hispanic to get loans in the areas the CRA was designed to help.
Pretty messed up, especially since 99.9% of banks get a satisfactory record with the CRA.
Even when you factor in apples to apples comparison, there is a racially backed component to the results.
Complete and utter bovine feces...
I work in mortgages and have for the pass 15 years. There is ZERO, ZIP, NADA, racial discrimination in mortgages. Blacks on average have lower FICO scores and fewer assets which is why, not that there is any actual discrimination occurring.
Here is a good mortgage industry video/blog debunking the OP that explains how any disparate impact that actually occurs is because of Fannie policies that ALL banks have to follow when it comes to getting a conventional mortgage.
Did you miss this part?
In an April policy paper, the American Bankers Association said reporting credit scores would be expensive and "cloud any focus" the disclosure law has in identifying discrimination. America's largest bank, JPMorgan Chase & Co., has argued that the data should remain closed off even to academics, citing privacy concerns.
At the same time, studies have found proprietary credit score algorithms to have a discriminatory impact on borrowers of color.
Watch the video. I am black. I've also originated about $500 million in mortgage loans in my career.
First, practically all mortgages are run through an automated underwriting system from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae (i.e., a computer). It looks at debt ratios, assets, credit scores, property type, etc and then makes a lending decision. The bank underwriters literally just check to make sure the documentation is correct - paystubs, bank statements, etc and look for any potential fraud.
It is true that blacks on average have higher rates and receive more denials but that is because blacks on average have lower FICO scores. Blacks with 700+ FICO score, low debt ratios, and down payments get the same great rates as everyone else.
Understand that statistical data showing one group on average having less favorable terms is not an indicator of discrimination.
Reveal's analysis included all records publicly available under the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act, covering nearly every time an American tried to buy a home with a conventional mortgage in 2015 and 2016. It controlled for nine economic and social factors, including an applicant's income, the amount of the loan, the ratio of the size of the loan to the applicant's income and the type of lender, as well as the racial makeup and median income of the neighborhood where the person wanted to buy property.
Black Median Household income: $35,481
(all races $53,657)
All Black Workers 2015 weekly earnings:$624
(all races $803)
Black Men weekly earnings: $652
(All men $889)
Black Women weekly earnings: $608
(All women $721)
SOURCE: 2015 3rd Quarter: Bureau of Labor Statistics – 16 Years or Older & 2014 Census Bureau American Community Survey.

Fair Lending
The Equal Credit Opportunity Act and the Fair Housing Act are designed to protect consumers from unfair or discriminatory lending practices. Two primary laws govern fair lending practices:
Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA)/Regulation B
ECOA, enacted in 1974, prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion, national origin, sex, marital status, age, source of income or whether a person exercises rights granted under the Consumer Credit Protection Act for any credit transaction and through the life of the loan.Fair Housing Act (FHA)
The Fair Housing Act is part of the Civil Rights Act of 1968. The FHA makes it unlawful for any lender to discriminate in housing-related lending activities against any persons because of their race, color, religion, national origin, handicap, family status or sex
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: 3daysgone
Black Median Household income: $35,481
(all races $53,657)
All Black Workers 2015 weekly earnings:$624
(all races $803)
Black Men weekly earnings: $652
(All men $889)
Black Women weekly earnings: $608
(All women $721)
SOURCE: 2015 3rd Quarter: Bureau of Labor Statistics – 16 Years or Older & 2014 Census Bureau American Community Survey.

blackdemographics.com...
Those figures of yours are very wrong.
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: Willtell
After the war in the 50’s blacks were totally excluded from the inexpensive houses the government were financing, in communities like Levittown LI, where a whole generation of people were left behind economically through this blatant and “legal” discrimination.
Many people who now own houses worth half a million dollars from this era do not realize this happened.
The government helped ONLY WHIITE PEOPLE buy these very cheap houses, that are today maybe worth half a million, and totally excluded black people from this program
Today that’s why many communities in America are still segregated
They wonder why black people are behind economically.
This is a horrible example of what is still happening.
source
The GI Bill (1944)[edit] At the end of World War II, the GI Bill furthered segregation practices by keeping African Americans out of European American neighborhoods, showing another side to African American housing discrimination. When millions of GIs returned home from overseas, they took advantage of the “Servicemen’s Readjustment Act,” or the GI Bill.[19] This important document was signed in 1944 by Franklin D. Roosevelt, and gave veterans education and training opportunities, guaranteed loans for home, farm, or business, job finding assistance, and unemployment pay of $20 a week for up to 52 weeks if a veteran could not find a job.[20] This law allowed millions of U.S. soldiers to purchase their first homes with inexpensive mortgages, which meant the huge growth of suburbs and the birth of the ideal of a suburban lifestyle. African Americans were met with discrimination when trying to purchase a home in the overwhelmingly European American neighborhoods. The realtors would not show these houses to African Americans, and when they did, they would try and talk them out of buying the home. This discrimination was based on the fact that realtors believed they would be losing future business by dealing or listing with African Americans, and that it would be unethical to sell a house in a European American neighborhood to African Americans because it would drive the property values of the surrounding houses down.[21] Both redlining and discrimination through the GI Bill relegated most African Americans to a concentrated area within the city, so the declining property values and the higher crime rates could be kept in a contained area. The relegation of African Americans to the neighborhoods that were receiving no support due to redlining practices was a self-fulfilling prophecy that created the high crime slums that the city was afraid of.[6]
Partially agree. Yes, prior discrimination really set the black community back in terms of family wealth building. However, I think that has little to do with current fiscal state of black community.
The black community in America spends like a $1.5 trillion a year. We have no problem buying jewelry, cars, rims, and expensive clothes... but black folks don't want to buy stocks or houses. It isn't discrimination but financial ignorance at this point.
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: 3daysgone
Black Median Household income: $35,481
(all races $53,657)
All Black Workers 2015 weekly earnings:$624
(all races $803)
Black Men weekly earnings: $652
(All men $889)
Black Women weekly earnings: $608
(All women $721)
SOURCE: 2015 3rd Quarter: Bureau of Labor Statistics – 16 Years or Older & 2014 Census Bureau American Community Survey.

blackdemographics.com...
Those figures of yours are very wrong.
To be fair , they were referring to net worth not incomes.
The white net worth is skewed because of the Uber rich whites at the very top.
A fair question to look at is do white households at the same income level, 35,000, get declined for mortgages at the same rate as black households at 35,000?
All things being equal, we should see similar rates.
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: 3daysgone
Black Median Household income: $35,481
(all races $53,657)
All Black Workers 2015 weekly earnings:$624
(all races $803)
Black Men weekly earnings: $652
(All men $889)
Black Women weekly earnings: $608
(All women $721)
SOURCE: 2015 3rd Quarter: Bureau of Labor Statistics – 16 Years or Older & 2014 Census Bureau American Community Survey.

blackdemographics.com...
Those figures of yours are very wrong.
To be fair , they were referring to net worth not incomes.
The white net worth is skewed because of the Uber rich whites at the very top.
A fair question to look at is do white households at the same income level, 35,000, get declined for mortgages at the same rate as black households at 35,000?
All things being equal, we should see similar rates.
You would have to include debt to income ratio for it to be a fair comparison.
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: pavil
Link
Disparities were exceptionally pronounced in 61 cities across the nation, including three in North Carolina. That was true even when controlling for applicants' income, loan amount and neighborhood. The findings come after a year-long study of millions of Home Mortgage Disclosure Act records analyzed by WUNC, The Center for Investigative Reporting's Reveal Show, and the Associated Press.
So I'm listening to NPR and they are talking about this, specifically how the Community Reinvestment Act has been a joke for Decades, not really allowing residents, mainly Black and Hispanic to get loans in the areas the CRA was designed to help.
Pretty messed up, especially since 99.9% of banks get a satisfactory record with the CRA.
Even when you factor in apples to apples comparison, there is a racially backed component to the results.
Complete and utter bovine feces...
I work in mortgages and have for the pass 15 years. There is ZERO, ZIP, NADA, racial discrimination in mortgages. Blacks on average have lower FICO scores and fewer assets which is why, not that there is any actual discrimination occurring.
Here is a good mortgage industry video/blog debunking the OP that explains how any disparate impact that actually occurs is because of Fannie policies that ALL banks have to follow when it comes to getting a conventional mortgage.
Did you miss this part?
In an April policy paper, the American Bankers Association said reporting credit scores would be expensive and "cloud any focus" the disclosure law has in identifying discrimination. America's largest bank, JPMorgan Chase & Co., has argued that the data should remain closed off even to academics, citing privacy concerns.
At the same time, studies have found proprietary credit score algorithms to have a discriminatory impact on borrowers of color.
Watch the video. I am black. I've also originated about $500 million in mortgage loans in my career.
First, practically all mortgages are run through an automated underwriting system from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae (i.e., a computer). It looks at debt ratios, assets, credit scores, property type, etc and then makes a lending decision. The bank underwriters literally just check to make sure the documentation is correct - paystubs, bank statements, etc and look for any potential fraud.
It is true that blacks on average have higher rates and receive more denials but that is because blacks on average have lower FICO scores. Blacks with 700+ FICO score, low debt ratios, and down payments get the same great rates as everyone else.
Understand that statistical data showing one group on average having less favorable terms is not an indicator of discrimination.
I understand the underlying reasons why POC don't get mortgages as often ie net worth, credit scores ect. That being said, the article compared apples to apples :
Reveal's analysis included all records publicly available under the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act, covering nearly every time an American tried to buy a home with a conventional mortgage in 2015 and 2016. It controlled for nine economic and social factors, including an applicant's income, the amount of the loan, the ratio of the size of the loan to the applicant's income and the type of lender, as well as the racial makeup and median income of the neighborhood where the person wanted to buy property.
They looked at 3.1M applications for their analysis.
That seems to imply they took people with similar rankings and still found racial differences in approvals.
The only two criteria they couldn't compare were credit score and debt to income ratio. Both of those weren't disclosed by the lenders for the study. Granted those are huge criteria, but if all the other criteria were even, I would have thought the numbers would have been closer.
I'd be interested in seeing a study that has the two other huge factors and see if there is still a discrepancy.
Disparities were exceptionally pronounced in 61 cities across the nation, including three in North Carolina. That was true even when controlling for applicants' income, loan amount and neighborhood.
originally posted by: cenpuppie
Disparities were exceptionally pronounced in 61 cities across the nation, including three in North Carolina. That was true even when controlling for applicants' income, loan amount and neighborhood.
Even when everything is equal, black and latino folks are denied an application at twice the rate.
And at looking at the responses on this thread, they are the reason why disparities still exist. Folks won't believe anything until it happens to them.
originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: pavil
From your link.
The latest figures from the U.S. Census Bureau show the median net worth for an African-American family is now $9,000, compared with $132,000 for a white family. Latino families did not fare much better at $12,000.
That could be the reason why.
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: cenpuppie
Disparities were exceptionally pronounced in 61 cities across the nation, including three in North Carolina. That was true even when controlling for applicants' income, loan amount and neighborhood.
Even when everything is equal, black and latino folks are denied an application at twice the rate.
And at looking at the responses on this thread, they are the reason why disparities still exist. Folks won't believe anything until it happens to them.
Just parroting something as being true does not make it true. Mortgage underwriting is very rigid. For the most part, computers approve mortgages. The underwriters literally check a box. There is very little nuance or out of the box thinking. People either qualify or they don't. Race has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I'm black. I originate mortgages for a living. I think I'd know if there were some nefarious bank plot to discriminate against minorities.
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Were it not the right time to have said opportunity, my fate would have been much, much, much different than the bigfatfurrytexan you know today.
I think that transcends race or sex or cultural background. So much of life depends on an individual being in the right place at the right time and being ready for it.