A Big Hole in the Taxi Video - Multiple Shooter Theory

I wanted to make a new thread on this, because it would be missed or looked over by most if posted in the thread proposing that multiple shooters were probably involved, and folks need take this into consideration before going to far with that theory...

The strobing light in the taxi driver's video clip going around, may infact NOT be gunfire.

I was watching the live coverage on FNC early in the morning around 4am EST (AFTER THE SHOOTING), Fox's Adam Housley was the reporter live on the scene, when one of the in-studio anchors inquired about where the shooter was located. The camera man zoomed into the floors of the casino, where around the 10th floor or so, you could see a strobing light of some kind flickering in one of the windows, so much so that the studio anchor commented on what that light could be. I've been looking for this Fox News clip with no luck yet, but I beleive this may be the same light in the video captured by the taxi driver.

Secondly, and also very important, the windows at the Mandalay Bay, like most Vegas casinos, supposedly do NOT open. This is why the windows that ARE on the 32 floor have been broken. This would also be true if another gunman was shooting from a different floor. So again, if no windows have been broken out around the 10th floor, where this strobing light appears, it couldn't have been gunfire... rather the same strobing light seen in the late night Fox coverage well after the shooting took place. This should be easily confirmed.

As far as the change in direction of the sound of fire heard in the taxi driver's video, I think this can be explained by the two windows that were blown out on the 32nd floor which were perpendicular and face different directions from the building. The acoustics of the gunfire could change dramatically depending on which window he was shooting out of.

I agree that this whole thing is fishy as hell, but the taxi drivers video and theories springing up around it are spotty at best.

I'll keep looking for the FNC clip, that again, I watched live at around 4am EST after the shooting took place, but being that it was late night 'filler' coverage before the main early morning shows broke down the coverage indepth, is probably the reason it's hard to find.

a reply to: rexsblues

The window there was not broken, the flashes don't match the sound of the shots, others have already pointed out its reflection from people running past a light. But people can make up their own mind...

About :50 seconds into here...

Anotherlook:
Link to thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe I misunderstood, but the taxi driver video I saw here at ATS provided audio that incriminated, not video that incriminated. That audio strongly suggests at least 2 different weapons firing from 2 different locations from the microphone, one near and one farther away.

originally posted by: Salander
Maybe I misunderstood, but the taxi driver video I saw here at ATS provided audio that incriminated, not video that incriminated. That audio strongly suggests at least 2 different weapons firing from 2 different locations from the microphone, one near and one farther away.

Incriminated what ? Whom ?

Incriminated...

make (someone) appear guilty of a crime or wrongdoing; strongly imply the guilt of (someone).

Def by Google Defs

Folks dont know that a high velocity round striking asphalt ,concrete ,and/or metal makes its own distinctive sound ?

About the gunfire noises...
The taxi driver is right under the Mandalay, then she turns around as in a horseshoe-like move to get out onto the main street. (I looked at Google Maps) When she turns that would make the direction of the gunfire change direction.

I also agree about there not being any broken windows except for the two that are known, at least that is what I get from this particular video.

a reply to: Gothmog


Incriminates, renders suspect, the official story of only 1 shooter.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Gothmog


Incriminates, renders suspect, the official story of only 1 shooter.

You cant use a form of the word you are defining in a definition
First rule of thumb for definitions

a reply to: Salander

In my mind there is never any sounds of a second arm firing. Some footage records the sounds of bullet crack and then thump of shots. Thats 'normal' for hi velocity rifle fire, on the receiving end.

The bullet travels faster than sound, arriving first. Its called "Crack Thump" in military training, used to determine the distance to the source of shots.

"Crack" --the bullet going by (count 1-2-3- , as fast as you can) "Thump" --the sound of the shot arrives. The highest number you counted times one hundred yards is the distance to the shooter.

In most of the videos shot in the venue the different sounds are distinct.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Gothmog


Incriminates, renders suspect, the official story of only 1 shooter.

Why does there have to be more than one nutcase?

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Gothmog


Incriminates, renders suspect, the official story of only 1 shooter.

Why does there have to be more than one nutcase?

Because people love to invent conspiracies where none exist.

a reply to: Salander

The guy did have 2 separate vantage points from which he could shoot the news says. Maybe they were just saying that but I'm sure it would sound different , his shooting in two different directions. Also he could have been changing weapon type...just a thought not sure of course!

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Gothmog


Incriminates, renders suspect, the official story of only 1 shooter.

Why does there have to be more than one nutcase?

Because people love to invent conspiracies where none exist.

That started with Sandy school shooting? Or was it 911?

They should give it a rest.

Wow. I just watched the videos on this thread... The second video sure looks like second muzzle from a lower vantage and not a strobe. It seems to be coming out of that lower window ...also it's in time with the firing sounds. I'd like to debunk but... I haven't read the other thread yet.

For the person above who mentioned conspiracy theories starting with Sandy Hook and 911...umm there have been conspiracy theories since the beginning of time. Also many many MANY turn out to be true. Often in time the truth comes out sometimes hundreds of years sometimes 5 or 50 years later. As far as Sandy Hook and 911. Both are cases that definitely have glaring strange problems with the narrative. I mean one may not believe all of every theory but the crazy things in both cases, I hope most ppl can at least see something is very wrong.

I've listened to that clip over and over, and as a gun loving, target shooting individual that has fired many different weapons in different areas, I can say a few things with 100% certainty:

1. There were multiple weapons fired from different locations. Different shots, different distances, different rates of fire.

2. Even 30 round magazines wouldn't have rattled off as many rounds as were recorded in solid bursts, yet no talk of belt fed rifles, or drum mags

3. Even while the cab driver was parked in a single location, different shots were fired from different distances

You can also distinctly tell the difference in the rounds actually being fired, the echo among the buildings outside, and the contact of the bullets on hard surfaces...

There was definitely more than one gunner, in my opinion

a reply to: dothedew

While I'm loathe to challenge your obviously expert opinion in being able to tell how far away, and where, a gun is shooting in relation to a cell phone video in a concrete canyon, I'll just point out that one of the pictures that's been released of the shooter's guns shows double stack mags being used for at least one of the rifles. Judging by the length of it, it's entirely possible that it's a hundred round magazine.

a reply to: dothedew

There were no doubt mulitple weapons, but note that none were fired simultaneously. Again, given the two windows/vantage points from his suite on the 32nd floor, he probably had rifles positioned at both windows.

As I mentioned in the OP, the windows in his 'corner' suite were facing different directions. Depending on which window he was firing out of, the sound of the fire would change dramatically. I believe the concave architecture of the casino provided the acoustics that echoed the sound from a seemingly different location. Being an avid gun owner yourself, you would know this if you've ever fired a rifle in a hollow, narrow mountain valley or ridgecut.

They still haven't released the details or specifics about he firearms used, but I'm betting on modded to full, semi-autos, with drum mags.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
While I'm loathe to challenge your obviously expert opinion in being able to tell how far away, and where, a gun is shooting in relation to a cell phone video in a concrete canyon...

Oh, just do it. It's not like you have military and law enforcement experience to draw from.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

No, no. He's 100% certain. The expert has spoken, end of discussion.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
No, no. He's 100% certain. The expert has spoken, end of discussion.

I actually think it's 4 shooters based on the video. Why? Why not.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

In "the big thread" somebody said they counted 19 separate and distinct weapons firing.

Your hearing must be poor.