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originally posted by: LucidWarrior
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Censored people's are not slaves- you said it yourself, slaves make themselves. A man in chains might still retain his freedom, he becomes a slave when he resigns to his fate.
I enjoyed and learned a lot from this, Thank you. It seems more pressing to me, though, to be concerned with the self censorship that occurs, often automatically.
Anything less is conditional, constrained, or otherwise unfree speech.
Swearing an oath to tell the truth in court = constraining.
People who bring civil cases for libel and slander are against the freedom to speak lies.
Teachers fired for teaching that Moses is the source for U.S. law are being persecuted by the State for freely speaking their whatever.
Countries that require "news services" disseminating foreign government generated "news" register as foreign agents are restricting press freedoms.
Please do explain.
The problem is that censorship can be delivered in very subtle ways, It would mean that each individual would have to be very certain of their choices. In the novel called "The name of the rose@, the head monk believed that humor is a sin. As he believed his view was above others, he was happy to take the lives of the sinners. Between words and action, there is often a very small space.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Jonjonj
Although I don't think I would consider child abuse free speech. Do you mean strictly "verbal abuse"?
Observe your own appeals to authority: courts, the State, generals and so on.
Because you fear what may come of the spoken word, for instance a lie or propaganda, there appears a preference for sanction and criminalization from some authority,
rather than trust in yours and another's abilities to overcome them on your own accord.
That happens to be the World and Nation that I live in, as opposed to some fantasy land wherein no one lies.
Courts exist to attempt to arrive at understanding what the facts of the matter may be first. Based upon those perceived facts, judgments are rendered. States and Nations establish courts and the laws upon which those courts function and render judgments.
By generals, I include organized crime bosses, insurrection leaders, and gang leaders; people generally held accountable by the courts for the orders they issue; be it murder, mayhem, extortion, money laundering, etc.
Yes there should be some authority that sanctions (holds accountable and punishes) people who sell strychnine to people while saying it is a vitamin supplement. It isn't illegal to sell strychnine. So where is the crime?
How exactly can I overcome a man telling my donut shop customers that my donuts are poisoned and that 18 people have already died. There he stands with a glossy paper showing photos of 18 dead people. If I cannot stop him without calling upon authority, then just exactly what do you suggest?