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originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: Utnapisjtim
Hey, how come you know Hebrew so well and Norwegian, too? How did you learn your Hebrew?
Yes, a lot of the Hebrew OT is taken from old songs. I have seen that clearly, too. A lot of it has oratory roots. It is song/poetry in the oral tradition before writing was used. The Hebrews were country people. That is its charm that so much comes from common, rustic, nomadic, desert and pastoral roots as you have noticed from the narratives.
Abraham was the first Hebrew proper. He came from Sumeria. Obviously the Hebrew origin is in Ur, Mesopotamia. I think Abraham was a a kind of refugee from there. He and his clans people would have brought all the stories from Sumeria, including the flood. All the people's around there had their own version of the flood and common memory of a real Noah who obviously was an important Patriarch post some kind of disaster in the area?
The Scribes, after the Babylonian exile, would have been educated in writing and cosmopolitan literature. Babylon conquest would have brought all the spoils of culture like Homer's Iliad. I am convinced the Babylonian scribes were influenced by Homer in their work at that period on gather together literature from the Hebrew oral tradition and the memories/ folk stories of their religion and culture. remember, Homer's was a RELIGIOUS work at the time. It was written down from many songs and is meant to be sung with a harp as a very long poem indeed (where the expression "harping on" comes from). It's not so hard to comprehend that David's religious psalm writing is not so different to cultural literary/oral traditions of the Greeks. We all know the Greek influence on the OT as we know it today.
Your name, Gilgamesh! Lol! Cool.
God aka. The Navigator or King of the Oceans, was a kind of working class hero who was bored from just swimming around in the goo and darkness, so he made a boat and started harvesting from the ocean.
Iroquois Creation Myth
Long before the world was created there was an island, floating in the sky, upon which the Sky People lived. They lived quietly and happily. No one ever died or was born or experienced sadness. However one day one of the Sky Women realized she was going to give birth to twins. She told her husband, who flew into a rage. In the center of the island there was a tree which gave light to the entire island since the sun hadn't been created yet. He tore up this tree, creating a huge hole in the middle of the island. Curiously, the woman peered into the hole. Far below she could see the waters that covered the earth. At that moment her husband pushed her. She fell through the hole, tumbling towards the waters below.
Water animals already existed on the earth, so far below the floating island two birds saw the Sky Woman fall. Just before she reached the waters they caught her on their backs and brought her to the other animals. Determined to help the woman they dove into the water to get mud from the bottom of the seas. One after another the animals tried and failed. Finally, Little Toad tried and when he reappeared his mouth was full of mud. The animals took it and spread it on the back of Big Turtle. The mud began to grow and grow and grow until it became the size of North America.