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What does the bible say about Christ, the false messiah and the antichrist?

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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: luciferslight


Luke 17:21 King James Bible Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Do you know the difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven?


The Bible’s answer
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“The kingdom of God” is also called “the kingdom of heaven” in the Bible, since it rules from heaven. (Mark 1:14, 15; Matthew 4:17, King James Version)
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Source: What Is the Kingdom of God? Bible Questions

Simple isn't it? A bit more?

Is the Kingdom of God in Your Heart? Bible Questions

The Bible’s answer

No, God’s Kingdom is not merely a condition in the hearts of Christians. * The Bible identifies its true location by calling it “the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 4:17, King James Version) *: Many Christian denominations teach that the Kingdom of God is within a person, or in someone’s heart. For example, in the United States, the Southern Baptist Convention declared that the Kingdom of God is in part “the reign of God in the heart and life of the individual.” Similarly, in his book Jesus of Nazareth, Pope Benedict XVI stated that “the Kingdom of God comes by way of a listening heart.” Consider how the Bible shows it to be a real government that is ruling from heaven.

-God’s Kingdom has rulers, subjects, laws, and a mandate to establish the will of God in heaven and on the earth.—Matthew 6:10; Revelation 5:10.

-God’s government, or Kingdom, will rule over all “the peoples, nations, and language groups” of the earth. (Daniel 7:13, 14) The authority for its rulership comes, not from its subjects, but directly from God.—Psalm 2:4-6; Isaiah 9:7.

-Jesus told his faithful apostles that they would join him in the Kingdom of heaven to “sit on thrones.”—Luke 22:28, 30.

-The Kingdom has enemies, which it will destroy.—Psalm 2:1, 2, 8, 9; 110:1, 2; 1 Corinthians 15:25, 26.

The Bible does not teach that the Kingdom of heaven is in your heart in the sense that it rules through a person’s heart. However, it does show that the “word of the Kingdom” or the “good news of the Kingdom” can and should affect our hearts.—Matthew 13:19; 24:14.

What does “the kingdom of God is within you” mean?

Some people have become confused about the location of the Kingdom by the rendering of Luke 17:21 in some Bible translations. For example, the King James Version says that “the kingdom of God is within you.” To understand this verse correctly, we must consider the context.

Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees, a group of religious leaders who opposed him and shared in arranging for his execution. (Matthew 12:14; Luke 17:20) Does it make sense to think that the Kingdom was a condition in their obstinate hearts? Jesus told them: “Inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.”—Matthew 23:27, 28.

Other translations accurately clarify Jesus’ statement at Luke 17:21: “God’s kingdom is here with you.” (Italics ours; Contemporary English Version) “The Kingdom of God is among you.” (New World Translation, footnote) The Kingdom of heaven was “with” or “among” the Pharisees, in that Jesus, the one designated by God to rule as King, was standing before them.—Luke 1:32, 33.

God’s Kingdom was not in the heart of Jesus’ obstinate and murderous opposers.




posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: gell1234

Here's more you asked for.


Jesus:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 2:9
But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

Galatians 4:4
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, (Jesus)

John 19:28
After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, said, "I am thirsty."

Antichrist:

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh This is the deceiver and the antichrist.


False prophets:

Notice Jesus’ specific warning: “Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many” (Matthew 24:4-5, King James Version).

Lots more below.

What Is a False Prophet?

Second Coming of Christ:

#1. Acts 1:11 "Men of Galilee," they said. "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

#2. Acts 3:19-21 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, and that he may send the Christ, who has been appointed for you - even Jesus. He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

#3. Acts 17:31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

#4. 1 Corinthians 1:7 Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed.

#5. 1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.

#6. 1 Corinthians 11:26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

#7. 1 Corinthians15:23-24 But each in his own turn: Christ, the first fruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

#8. Philippians 1:10 So that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless until the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ - to the glory and praise of God.

#9. Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

#10. Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

#11. 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 for they themselves report what kind of reception you gave us. They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead - Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

#12. 1 Thessalonians 2:19-20 For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you? Indeed, you are our glory and joy.

#13. 1 Thessalonians 3:13 May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.

#14. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:4 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of god, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage each other with these words. Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. source

Lots more for you at both the sites.

God Bless! I really hope this helps.


peace



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: luciferslight
Nothing really. Only that there would be more Antichrists in the world when the world gets closer and closer to the end.

It isn't meant to be literally interpretation. Ugh.. I'm always saying this.

If you believe Christ is going to come, then by all means believe what makes your little heart Happy. If it gives you hope for a better future and life, go for it.

Just know one thing and one thing only.

Luke 17:21

Just one verse



You should have kept reading. While Jesus told his disciples that they would not witness him returning as the "Son of man" (as in human form), he makes it quite clear that he will be returning as lightning and fire from heaven some day. The kingdom of God is only within us until He returns to take us all home with Him and end all that is evil, imperfect, and corrupted.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 12:31 PM
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Thank you for the info.

a reply to: silo13



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 02:19 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: DrunkenMimeMaster

Like I said - you don't know your bible. Not judging just saying as there are others reading this who need to know the truth, and what you posted is not.

The bible talks about the time we are living in more than any other topic in the bible - including the resurrection.

peace


Firstly, I do know my bible. Enough to know that as a document for moral living, it's shaky; as an historic document, it's shakier; and a as prophetic document, well, it can be interpreted however the Masters of Deception wish it to be interpreted. The Apocalypse of St John was written for a 1st century audience - the character usually referred to as 'The Anti-Christ" was always meant to be seen as Nero. This is why some Latin versions have the Number as 616 as opposed to 666. Viewed from this light, the Book of the Revelation is far less confusing, particularly when one takes into account he fact it was written in the style of all apocalyptic literature from 1st century Palestine - the heavy symbolism, the use of codes for proper names/places, the heavy exhortations.

Further, from a purely Christian standpoint, all this looking for a mythical Anti-Christ ( literally "against the anointed one) removes one from the other commands given to the Church - feeding the hungry, ministering to the sick, spreading the gospel, doing charitable works, and living as though there were actual truth to the movement. The idea seems to be if one can identify who the Super bad Guy is, one can therefore pinpoint the date of the Second ( or Third, Fourth or whatever the the Return is) Coming. As I recall, isn't there an explicit command not to do so?

I am former clergy. I had to study the Bible. I had to quote chunks of it, learn the interpretations, the applications. It was this that pushed me away. Not out of the oft-repeated trope of "I wanted to do what I want" but rather, a firm conviction that any given Stephen King novel is more moral - at least there villainy is punished.

Forgive the vitriol. Peace.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: DrunkenMimeMaster

Why would John write the book of "Revelation" describing Nero as the Anti-Christ after Nero's death that included revelations that Nero never accomplished?!



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

You assume the Church is telling the truth about when the Apocalypse was penned. There is some debate on this one. And, tbh, Nero fits. Remember - Nero fits the Beast. There are other characters who fit other descriptions in the book. It's not a 'catch-all" The Abomination of Desolation, for example, was when the Roman governor ( may be wrong on his actual title) order sacrifices to Caesar in the Temple. The 'mark", then, becomes the certificates one had to purchase to make one's sacrifices - a mark of allegiance to Caesar rather than the Judaic god.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: DrunkenMimeMaster

The earliest date that I saw being debated on the penning of Revelation was still after Nero's death.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

Either way, it was written for a contemporary audience, not one near 2000 years away. It doesn't make much sense. many of the symbols and customs of a 1st Century CE audience are lost on modern man.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: DrunkenMimeMaster

What are you talking about? John didn't write the book of Revelation directed at any particular audience. He saw visions and recorded them, just as he was instructed to do. That's also the reason we see the words, "those who have ears to hear, let them hear", even in the Old Testament. Much was written in a way that was only meant for believers with access to the Holy Spirit to understand.


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posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

Then the first couple chapters, the ones directed at particular churches, can be tossed aside? Actually, he did have an audience in mind - his contemporaries. Else the one sending the visions would have told him "put these in a jar for two thousand years, doesn't apply to you guys."

Logic must be maintained, even when discussing religion and fable.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: DrunkenMimeMaster

No, it just means that John wrote what he saw and heard. If some of it was directed at the early churches, so be it. There's no reason to believe that the entire Revelation was meant only for the early churches. That's like trying to say that the Old Testament wasn't meant for the disciples, yet Jesus and the disciples quoted from the Old Testament thousands of times throughout the New Testament.

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posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

Only insofar as the gospels record it, but that's another argument. The point is, simply because it's in the bible does not automatically mean it has any import outside of !st century Palestine, 1st century Christians, or that it wasn't directed to a certain audience with a certain message they would easily understand, without extraneous interpretation by whatever Lord of profit they were listening to.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 02:36 AM
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Jesus is the promise, the prophecy.

The False Messiah, is the Anti-Christ. There is no "and".

As far as John knowing it would come in his generation is not so. John understood that the Temple of Judea was about to fall to the Romans as Jesus predicted. He was very well in tuned to prophecies of the earlier prophets like Moses and Jeremiah who predicted Jesus, fall of Isreal, and being reunited again (1948) from the lands of the North (Europe). John would be well aware of Old Testament prophecies as it goes along flawlessly with other apocalyptic signs. John confirmed there must be a church with 144,000 Jews in Isreal. If John knows it will fall, why would he forsee it as a country again later?

John suffered an apocalypse before we did. He and the others would be martyred for their faith, so when John is referring to the end is here, he is referring to wrath brought upon the Apostles. John would have been well aware of the things to come for the Jews (Deuteronomy) and all the curses God casted on them for denying Jesus. Such as casted out of their land in ships and sold into slavery, that all of Isreal and Jordan would be ate by locust and made desolate. Even when they (the Jews) get to Isreal from fleeing Europe they face enemies that surround their land. So in a way, John was right. The end was near and was time to finish the teaching for future Christians. Besides, I doubt John would think the mark of the beast as we see it today (RFID chips) would have worked in his time. To force a entire world to bare a mark (tattoo) that would deny commerce is unfathomable to me at that time. John would have also been blind when Jesus claims he would return at a time to save man from total destruction. That wasn't as possible as it is now. With a nuclear holocaust threat we live with daily in the world today, this may be in fact what he was talking about.

The next Messiah is the ones whom the Jews will accept. It's said 5777 (this year in Judaic years) is the year of the "true messiah" to Jews. Ironically John depicts a constellation in the sky that happens on Sept 23. The virgin with the moon at her heel. To some this may mark the end year, to others it might mark the birth of the anti Christ, which would mean we still have a little bit for him to grow up a little. We are also waiting on Europe to become 10 great nations under 1 king or what some have argued the "Rise of Rome".



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: Deetermined

originally posted by: luciferslight
Nothing really. Only that there would be more Antichrists in the world when the world gets closer and closer to the end.

It isn't meant to be literally interpretation. Ugh.. I'm always saying this.

If you believe Christ is going to come, then by all means believe what makes your little heart Happy. If it gives you hope for a better future and life, go for it.

Just know one thing and one thing only.

Luke 17:21

Just one verse



You should have kept reading. While Jesus told his disciples that they would not witness him returning as the "Son of man" (as in human form), he makes it quite clear that he will be returning as lightning and fire from heaven some day. The kingdom of God is only within us until He returns to take us all home with Him and end all that is evil, imperfect, and corrupted.


The only way to manifest Jesus in your life isn't by fasting prayer and hoping he will come some day. If he does come, he'd have to be born of a sinner and therefore invalidates his second coming as the pure white lamb that was slain. If you read the book of Revelation without fear and with an open mind, you'll understand the mystical message hidden within than believing a non-physical being who supposedly will manifest from the skies above.

Jesus is waiting for us to activate the penial gland in our heads, and to move our consciousness into our heart instead of our brains.

That's when we'll manifest Luke 17:21.. until then... Believe your pastors, believe your father's for they too know what they are doing against you.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 01:18 PM
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If he does come, he'd have to be born of a sinner and therefore invalidates his second coming as the pure white lamb that was slain.


Where do you find this total crap?

peace



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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I am former clergy. I had to study the Bible.

Then you (should) know we’re living in a time more spoken about in the bible than any other subject.


at least there villainy is punished.


You really don’t think evil is going to be punished?

I guess you didn’t interpret Revelation as well as you thought.

Just out of curiosity? When you were ‘clergy’ and someone asked you to tell them the gospel, what did you say?

Thanks.

peace



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: luciferslight


If he does come, he'd have to be born of a sinner and therefore invalidates his second coming as the pure white lamb that was slain.


Where do you find this total crap?

peace


All this crap is found in the Bible.
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posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 12:37 PM
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If he does come, he'd have to be born of a sinner and therefore invalidates his second coming as the pure white lamb that was slain.


This crap isn't.

He will not be 'born' of anyone when He returns.


For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him (Revelation 1:7).


peace



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: luciferslight



If he does come, he'd have to be born of a sinner and therefore invalidates his second coming as the pure white lamb that was slain.


This crap isn't.

He will not be 'born' of anyone when He returns.


For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him (Revelation 1:7).


peace



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