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What did Kinsey, have to do with Alistair Crowley's diary?

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posted on May, 6 2017 @ 12:26 AM
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Kinsey's research seems to have been based on pseudo science, funded by Playboy, The Rockefeller corporation ,and the American taxpayer, to push an agenda. This wouldn't have been so bad but the Law makers in Washington took it as gospel and started to make sex laws based on it. Since Kinsey died of a self inflicted sado masochistic injury, it should of rang alarm bells. But when looking in depth to his research, where he was handing out stopwatches to pedophiles, it becomes a very shaky thesis to base laws on. Since the post Kinsey age is one of sexual liberation based partly if not fully on the new norm he created, it might be wise to ask why?




posted on May, 6 2017 @ 12:43 AM
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a reply to: anonentity

Kinsey was like the Austin Powers of sex research. He was all over the sexual spectrum like English rock legends from the 60s.


He was a great guy for taking some of the prurience away from domestic sex lives and softening the hatred faced by gays. The Kinsey scale is now a 'meh' of obviousness whereas it was a big, scary concept back in 1950s USA.

Did he inspire the 'sexual liberation' you describe or did he just measure it?



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 05:26 AM
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a reply to: anonentity



This wouldn't have been so bad but the Law makers in Washington took it as gospel and started to make sex laws based on it.


For example? What kind of "sex laws" were introduced because of Kinsey's studies?



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 05:34 AM
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a reply to: windword


Its a long vid. But Homosexual law reform springs to mind .Very light sentences for Pedos. Because his work claimed children were not harmed.



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 06:07 AM
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a reply to: anonentity

Yeah, I'm not watching a propaganda flick.



But Homosexual law reform springs to mind


You've got to be kidding! Do you think sodomy, by definition, should be illegal? Do you think sexual acts between consenting adults should be regulated by the government?!

Please cite examples of how pedophilia laws became more lax in the 50s and 60s than they were in the 30s and 40s!

ETA: Also, please explain how Kinsey's studies on sexual behavior and expression was akin to Alistair Crowley's diary about Sex Magic.

edit on 6-5-2017 by windword because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: Kandinsky

Big scary concept from the 1950s ...like the elusive female orgasm?



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 07:16 AM
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a reply to: anonentity

Well, what did Kinsey have to do with Alistair Crowley's diary?

Tell us. I'm not watching a video to find out.



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: Astyanax

Kinsey studied human sexuality.

Aleister Crowley saw sympathetic magic as a method for a person to reach true understanding of ones self and to act according to one's true will.

Essentially "do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", however there have been known to be links to sexual practices being performed with regards to the practice of sympathetic magic involving children.

I take it that's the implied connection.



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

I have read the book in question. It's called a confession, not a diary. Actually I believe I've read the Kinsey Report too. There is absolutely no connexion between them. The maker of that video must be a drivelling idiot. And as for the gullibility of the OP... no comment.



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: Astyanax

No argument from me on that score hence the wording "implied connection".


Personalty i think Kinsey contributed greatly to the sexual revolution that took place regarding the last century.

The Man certainly reported/studied on what, at the time, was a very controversial subject. Possibly harboring some very controversial views, certainly ahead of his time.



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 04:54 PM
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Kinsey's research seems to have been based on pseudo science,


Sorta like the 3 hour long video you have posted which attempts to tie homosexuality to Satanism. I see no connection between Kinsey's work and Crowley's dairy. Kinsey's work was groundbreaking if for nothing else because it actually forced people to confront and discuss their own sexuality as well as others and helped to remove the stigma of human sexuality due to religious morals which are to be held to publicly by all but when behind the closed doors anything goes is what his studies showed. He simply interviewed individuals and reported what they told him, if guilty of anything, it was an unbalanced sample of the population which leaned toward more homosexuals than heterosexual included in the study



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 04:58 PM
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a reply to: windword


No I don't think anything between consenting adults should be illegal. But that said when you have a liberalisation of the interpretation of sexual behaviour, based on skewed data which leads people to think that its quite natural and normal to be promiscuous, when in fact if it was left alone and not pushed, things would find their natural balance. Considering the fifties and now, if modern practices were considered bad taste, then the amount of unwanted pregnancies STD and Aids wouldn't be on the radar. The misery the porn Porn industry causes would stop, and the people involved would have more wholesome jobs and lives.
It doesn't matter a toss what I think, but we have seen other societies go down this course, and their is an inevitable price that gets paid.



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: DJMSN


When Crowley died Kinsey goes to get Crawley's diary because he's worried if it comes to light he will get mentioned, as being a friend of the most evil one.. Since they were in correspondence, and given the fact they were not talking about how good Crowley's carrots were growing. Considering what Kinsey died of, and how none of these facts were in the public media, it seems like as today the MSM were controlling information to suit their own ends. Which was and still is the sexualisation of children.



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: anonentity




But that said when you have a liberalisation of the interpretation of sexual behaviour, based on skewed data which leads people to think that its quite natural and normal to be promiscuous, when in fact if it was left alone and not pushed, things would find their natural balance.


Nonsense. promiscuity is what you get when you don't interfere. It's the religious and the jealous that seek to modify and demonize others' natural urges.

Victorian prudishness and religious zealotry, obsessed with other's sexuality and seeking to punish the promiscuous, is not a sign of what is normal or healthy in human behavior or sexuality.

Porn (erotic art) has been around longer than the dirt you walk on! Debasing and marginalizing women based on their gender and sexuality didn't originate from Playboy magazine. It's in the G# damned Bible!



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: anonentity

Kinsey certainly didn't liberalize sex, humans themselves managed to do that years before. Kinsey merely interviewed individuals who reported to him their own sexual experiences, in other words, they confessed to him the deep dark secrets that no one talked about before.

Just because people didn't boast of their sexual conquest does not mean they were celibate, quite the opposite, the roaring 20's were not roaring because no one was having sex, trip the light fantastic didn't necessarily refer to just dancing.

Promiscuity among humans wasn't born after the Kinsey report, again unwanted pregnancies while maybe not pervasive was not uncommon either, families sent daughters away to other cities to give birth and then placed those babies up for adoption never to speak of it again. Homosexuality has been around for since forever so no liberalization of laws made it more or less prevalent but helped remove the stigma that religion placed upon it.

Other STD's and AIDS (when they did not know what it was) is not a result of Kinsey's work but a result of the booming population in the world from normal procreation. You are right it does not matter what you think as it is completely off base and typical of backwards religious rhetoric. The 50's were not all Leave it to Beaver and other television fantasy as you seem to think but simply more restrictive as to what people admitted to because of a social stigma relating to normal human behavior which is witnessed by the very fact that humans are still alive and kicking, just not with as much baggage as we use to hide in the closets



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: anonentity

You have some sort of evidence of this ? Where are the letters they exchanged ? There is talk of perhaps Kinsey being influenced by Crowley but nothing as far as their ever meeting, nothing about correspondence between them nor anything about Kinsey going after the dairy. The only thing I can find they have in common is maybe both were bi-sexual but nothing else so how about a link instead of a 3 hour video that is slanted and offers no documented proof of anything.



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: DJMSN


Kinsey's work was groundbreaking if for nothing else because it actually forced people to confront and discuss their own sexuality...

And that is exactly what the video maker and the OP can't handle about Kinsey

Kind of gives the game away, no?



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