50% of the Dutch families can cook and heat on biogas from cow dung

There is 76 billion Kilograms dung produced in 2015 by the life stock in Holland:

82% from cows
16% from pigs
2% from other animals (chicken, goat, sheep etc.)

This can in principle produce 4 billion cubic meters methane (natural gas grade) but actually bio methane (biogas), by anaerobic fermentation.

Good enough for 3.2 million households (families) thats about half the households in The Netherlands.

State of the Art is (2015 statistics say) that anually only 80 million cubic meters biogas is yet produced, good for 64,000 families.

This potential is good news, because farmers can't handle so much dung, moreover they got to pay enormous taxes to get rid of it, and expanding of the life stock and business is not allowed.

I heard now twice on TV documentaries that Denmark is completely self supporting with respect to energy, only green energy, no fossils. Maybe Holland can go that way to and our biogas (potential) can be a big part of it.

REFERENCES (In Dutch):

fd.nl...

www.clo.nl...

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a reply to: galien8

its awesome but why is it good news now?
im being serious

people have been heating their houses and huts with # for a long time.
is it logistics?

# man i would heat my house with some cow mud to save a grip on my gas bill.
we could get used to the smell.

i always have some fizzy pop incense laying around.

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: galien8

its awesome but why is it good news now?

naturlamente al dente!!!! (climate change)

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: galien8

its awesome but why is it good news now?
im being serious

people have been heating their houses and huts with # for a long time.
is it logistics?

# man i would heat my house with some cow mud to save a grip on my gas bill.
we could get used to the smell.

i always have some fizzy pop incense laying around.

People have been using dung for cooking and heating for a couple thousand years minimum. I just can't see bbqing ribs over it, maybe in a covered stewpot it would be ok. You wonder why the people in the middle east are so crabby, they have been cooking over camel dung for a couple thousand years.

a reply to: galien8

Your assessment of the state of Denmark's green energy seems a bit optimistic

www.theecologist.org...

The small country of Denmark is making a big commitment to renewables, aiming to be fossil-fuel free by 2050, writes Laurie Guevara-Stone.

Still have some very big problems but doing good (or so the article says) but Denmark is dependent on other countries for grid stability. And I don't think imported biomass will be acceptable for very long.

I wonder how the people of Denmark feel about the high taxes on cars?

originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks

Your assessment of the state of Denmark's green energy seems a bit optimistic

www.theecologist.org...

Thanks, maybe the documentary meant the most green energy country in Europe or something, I did not check, documentaries were from 1 to 2 years ago, I remembered because I went on holiday to Denmark twice in that period, told practically everybody I know



FROM YOUR LINK: ...Today Denmark's electric grid is over 40% renewably powered, and the country is aiming to reach 100% renewable electricity by 2035 and 100% renewable energy in all sectors by 2050...

Still no bad

originally posted by: rickymouse

I just can't see bbqing ribs over it, maybe in a covered stewpot it would be ok.

Biogas is almost 100% pure methane (CH4), so it has not a fart smell or gives dung taste to meat when you gas flame roast with it

originally posted by: galien8

originally posted by: rickymouse

I just can't see bbqing ribs over it, maybe in a covered stewpot it would be ok.

Biogas is almost 100% pure methane (CH4), so it has not a fart smell or gives dung taste to meat when you gas flame roast with it

I'm pretty sure that if you cooked over a cow pasty, there would be flavor added to the meat.

originally posted by: rickymouse

I'm pretty sure that if you cooked over a cow pasty, there would be flavor added to the meat.

Yes, but not a nice and tasty flavor

a reply to: galien8

my question is....

often in these types of "good news" stories, the percentage of renewables is based on capacity of the renewables and not on how much they actually produce

www.worldwatch-europe.org...

This link will explain it better than I can.

I've cooked and heated with it while rough camping, others have done it for millennia.

What's old is new again...

a reply to: galien8 well by the same logic, if in my country we start to hunt and eat the stray cats and dogs on the streets we can easily stop pig-farming. But that's just a theory, on practice nobody will touch the little kittens, even if Armageddon is approaching

originally posted by: seagull

What's old is new again...

Yes but I mean dung fermented to biogas as good as natural gas (methane = CH4) for gas burners, gas heaters, gas ovens etc., but I think you knew that

originally posted by: Argentbenign
a reply to: galien8 well by the same logic, if in my country we start to hunt and eat the stray cats and dogs on the streets we can easily stop pig-farming. But that's just a theory, on practice nobody will touch the little kittens, even if Armageddon is approaching

Hold your horses, not so fast, first rapture, then the great tribulation and then finally HAR MEGIDDO

a reply to: galien8

Correction: Gas distributors in Holland say anual 1 billion cubic meters biogas, good for 10% of the household (families) in Holland, thats the potential.

a reply to: galien8

I did. From using the cow-patties in, well, their original form to biogas is just one additional step, that's all.

It's amazing how many "new" discoveries, sometimes really aren't. Guess those ancestors of ours weren't so dumb as some would have us believe...

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: galien8

I did. From using the cow-patties in, well, their original form to biogas is just one additional step, that's all.

It's amazing how many "new" discoveries, sometimes really aren't. Guess those ancestors of ours weren't so dumb as some would have us believe...

Yes there has always been chemical energy in a turd

a reply to: galien8

Very much so.

The problem isn't energy, it's our lifestyle. Which could work if we were not so wasteful. Like buying a pc and expect it to last at least 3 decades instead of 5 years, 10 at most (congrats to those who are so good for their old tech!). Leaving devices always on even if unused, inefficient heating, not to mention all the wasted energy just by people using the internet for their porn needs.

You use dung for energy, that dung isn't going into the ground and the soil will give less food.

You use wind for energy, that wind is not going were it was meant to go according to mother nature, I haven't read much research but I'm guessing the air will become more polluted, less pollens flying around so less areas with plantlife. Not to mention the effects of wind on rain etc.

Same with any source, water currents, that energy was meant to do something else someplace else. It's bound to have effects on our climate and environment, maybe it'll take a while but I believe I am right in this. Green energy isn't perfect even if so many would like to believe this because it gives a positive outlook on the future.

originally posted by: CoolBuzz

...not to mention all the wasted energy just by people using the internet for their porn needs.

...hell hatch no fury. than a woman scorn, by porn... I know