Trump administration 'had a secret plan to lift Russian sanctions' and cede Ukraine territory to...

The Independent Feb. 20th 2017
Trump administration 'had a secret plan to lift Russian sanctions' and cede Ukraine territory to Moscow

President Trump’s personal lawyer and a former business associate met privately in New York City last month with a member of the Ukrainian parliament to discuss a peace plan for that country that could give Russia long-term control over territory it seized in 2014 and lead to the lifting of sanctions against Moscow.

The meeting with Andrii V. Artemenko, the Ukrainian politician, involved Michael Cohen, a Trump Organisation lawyer since 2007, and Felix Sater, a former business partner who worked on real estate projects with Trump’s company.

The occurrence of the meeting, first reported Sunday by the New York Times, suggests that some in the region aligned with Russia have been seeking to use Trump business associates as an informal conduit to a new president who has signaled a desire to forge warmer relations with Russia. The discussion took place amid increasingly intense scrutiny of the ties between Trump’s team and Russia, as well as escalating investigations on Capitol Hill of the determination by U.S. intelligence agencies that the Kremlin intervened in last year’s election to help Trump.

Here we have another Trump "Senior Advisor" brokering deals with the Russians and President Trump afterwards distancing himself and disavowing any knowledge of the negotiations.

The crazy thing here is that Cohen acknowledges being in the room negotiating with Ukranian politicians to cede the territory to Russia, but calls it "fake news" that he'd even considering handing it off to Lt. Gen. Flynn.

Felix Sater arranged the meeting, cooperated in a Mafia investigation, and has done deals on behalf of Trump, including work in Moscow. Yet Trump denies remembering him. Sater claims he doesn't think the Trump administration is even aware of it.

These non-denial denials are becoming a sadly accurate characterization of how Trump conducts himself. "We didn't do it, but we did!" Like how much suspension of disbelief are we allowed to have?

Felix Sater in the flesh:

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In sworn testimony in 2013 in litigation related to a failed project with which Sater had been involved, Trump said he would not recognise Sater if they were in the same room.

Either Trump's memory is falling apart rapidly or we have yet another example of another sleazy dodge by a man who is far more politician than businessman.

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This is to say nothing about Manafort's part in the story.

The meeting with Andrii V. Artemenko, the Ukrainian politician, involved Michael Cohen, a Trump Organisation lawyer since 2007, and Felix Sater, a former business partner who worked on real estate projects with Trump’s company.
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In Ukraine, Artemenko belongs to a bloc that opposes the nation’s current president, Petro O. Poroshenko. It is a group whose efforts were previously aided by Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, who had advised Ukraine’s previous pro-Vladimir Putin president until his ouster amid public protests in 2014 — a development that sparked the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Manafort told the Post that he had “no role” in Artemenko’s initiative.

Paul Manafort's name was discovered 22 times in the Black Ledger in Ukraine, with payments totaling $12 million (discussion). What did Paul do before lobbying for Yanukovych, the disgraced Ukrainian president who is in exile in Russia, wanted for high-treason? Well, he just happened to be an 'adviser' to Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

Anyone who thinks the Russian story here has no substance isn't paying attention.

Read every Very Fake News story by replacing Trump's name with Hillary's, that was their plan.

Evidence? Reset button, gave 20% of all US Uranium to Putin, complex dealings with Russia involving Clinton Foundation.

Question for ATSers is this article full of assumptions and grasping at straws.

I read this on Reddit yesterday and the conclusion was it wss based on a little bit of BS sprinkled with fairy dust.

This sums it up nicely:

But Cohen said he did not take the envelope to the White House and did not discuss it with anyone. He called suggestions to the contrary “fake news.”

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense
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Lol, CNBC declaring anything is a joke. Very Fake Newsy of you.

originally posted by: muSSang
Question for ATSers is this article full of assumptions and grasping at straws.

Please if you have new information share it. I am open to listening to something that is actually relevant for a change.

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

originally posted by: muSSang
Question for ATSers is this article full of assumptions and grasping at straws.

Please if you have new information share it. I am open to listening to something that is actually relevant for a change.

Thats what im saying there is no evidence, no quotations apart from people denying it took place.

Im not defending the administration even know i admit im biased towards it but the article is made up of assumptions.

originally posted by: muSSang

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

originally posted by: muSSang
Question for ATSers is this article full of assumptions and grasping at straws.

Please if you have new information share it. I am open to listening to something that is actually relevant for a change.

Thats what im saying there is no evidence, no quotations apart from people denying it.

But, but, but they want to talk about it because just talking about unsubstantiated made up bullsnip makes it less unreal to them. It is how Very Fake News rolls on.

Trump administration 'had a secret plan to lift Russian sanctions' and cede Ukraine territory to...

Both of which makes sense. He can't be that clever.....

So who gets Syria? Not the Syrians I reckon. How about Palestine? The Jews?

a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

While I'll admit, if plans to hand Ukraine over to Russia are wrong.

I'd just like to ask, why the new sudden war against warmer ties with Russia? Because they did some petty things after we put sanctions on them for having a more explainable version of Iraq?

a reply to: TinfoilTP

So Trump doing the same kinds of things as someone you dislike/hate for doing those same things is okay in your book?

Why hate one person for doing something but then make excuses for someone else who is doing the same thing? That doesn't make any sense.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

No no ..he has a secret plan to give The Jews to Iran ...

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: TinfoilTP

So Trump doing the same kinds of things as someone you dislike/hate for doing those same things is okay in your book?

Why hate one person for doing something but then make excuses for someone else who is doing the same thing? That doesn't make any sense.

Exactly , the "The Hypocrisy Years", should be what this presidential cycle should be named as in the history books

Intriguing innuendo.

Suspicious photoshops.

Unverified quotations from possible associates.

Forged documents and fake website names.

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originally posted by: xuenchen
Intriguing innuendo.

Suspicious photoshops.

Unverified quotations from possible associates.

Forged documents and fake website names.

You should apply this method to your own threads.

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Intriguing innuendo. Suspicious photoshops. Unverified quotations from possible associates. Forged documents and fake website names.

So whats not to be believed ? Just don't question it...k