Counter-Sting Catches James O’Keefe Network Attempting To Sow Chaos At Trump’s Inauguration:

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I don't think there is any "real" data. I now believe, there are forces at play here who manipulate and twist logic, they make it look real good but then, it always gets distorted. We see blurry lines almost to the point of making it out, but then it's gone. Like a fairy-tale gone bad.


We hear a lot about how the liberals think God, and bible is a "fairy tale". But their reality is no different! It just seems more socially acceptable to pretend they are intellectually "superior" than the "morons" who don't want a socialistic society. A star trek utopia that will never be reality for them will be the ultimate loss.. Sometimes mythology is real, maybe fire-breathing dragons etc, the possibilities are endless, but they are clueless, lost in a fake realm of nothing.

a reply to: mOjOm

What's clear? I played the Turk piece. Saw what maybe 1 minute total actual content from the source.

Where's the beef?

You're telling me I'm being an ideologue, or whatever, yet I'm in here telling you guys how to actually sell this story!!!

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Nobody needs your theory on how to "sell this story". It is what it is.

They got stung while planning their own little sting and it's about time O'Keefe is exposed for being the activist propagandist that he is.

Who knows what else he's done that he hasn't got caught for.

He and his team are scum and evil.

a reply to: mOjOm

So all it takes is the Turkish genocide apologist and Huma Abedin to tell you what's what, and then that's that?

Anyways, I wish you'd display the same outrage when the DNC does the exact same 'video nasties' as does the RNC (whom are both "like THIS"). But that would be too much to ask of course, kind of like giving me a "fair shake" (that's an Obama term) when I just bent over backwards to give you guys one.

originally posted by: desert
a reply to: Spider879

Damn!! The chutzpah! No shame! One of the replies put it perfectly.
Republicans have learned that lying, cheating, stealing and obstruction will gain them what ever they want. Maniuplating the public with falsehoods and propaganda seems to work for them.

Republicans have learned that lying, cheating, stealing and obstruction will gain them what ever they want. Maniuplating the public with falsehoods and propaganda seems to work for them.

Nothing he and his supporters does will have any consequences, the man himself stated during the Rep, horse race..I could stand on New York's Fifth Avenue "and shoot somebody," and still not lose voters.
This is apparently true,look at some of the replies and attempt to deny it right here in this thread..



And IgnoranceIsntBlisss Yes Dems do stuff like that, but when they do, they pay a price like losing an election that should have been a cake walk, because much of the Lib rank and file tend to rebel against sht like that and will either cast a protest vote or sit it out.

There are going to be protests regardless of who is behind it.
Come on guys.

You knew this.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
There are going to be protests regardless of who is behind it.
Come on guys.

You knew this.

Maybe so, but $$$ corrupts political motive, it's no longer organic or heart felt.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Sillyolme
There are going to be protests regardless of who is behind it.
Come on guys.

You knew this.

Maybe so, but $$$ corrupts political motive, it's no longer organic or heart felt.

If I saw anything at all in the last election cycle that was organic and heartfelt, it was Bernie Sanders campaign. I trust that you know what went on at the Democratic National Convention?

Fir the record, I was not a Bernie Sanders supporter.

Yawnnnnn ..... I get it. Liberals are made of sugar and spice and all things nice and conservatives are made of snips and snails and puppy dog tails.

Thank the Lord that human nature is such that with familiarity breeds contempt and the liberal agenda has just about used up its 15 minutes of fame. What we are seeing is the last gasps of a dying ideology desperately trying to keep itself relevant.
Now the pendulum swings back the other way. The economy will pick up, people will start earning more and a percentage of "liberals" will jump ship........ They will have children who are unaware of the past and only see what appears to be injustices all around them and they will go on a crusade to make everything "Fair"......and the cycle starts all over again.... rinse and repeat.

Either you are for a One World Government... or you are against it, everything else is just a distraction. It is only complicated if you choose to make it so.
If you think that OWG is they way it should be, then just say it and advocate for it without using every little sub-issue you can to draw attention away from the end result.
If you are against OWG..... then you need to do some soul searching

a reply to: desert

Republicans have learned that lying, cheating, stealing and obstruction will gain them what ever they want. Maniuplating the public with falsehoods and propaganda seems to work for them.

Really? After all the sh** the Democrats were just caught doing?

Hypocrisy : The contrivance of a false appearance of virtue or goodness, while concealing real character or inclinations, especially with respect to religious and moral beliefs; hence in general sense, dissimulation, pretense, sham.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I've got it playing while I'm trying to work on something else...

SO far I'm gathering they tried to hire & bust some violent provocateurs in a sting, and got busted, so now the Great White Huma Abedin & Turk Dude are trying to spin it as if they literally were going to send them out to do it? And that this somehow equates tot he Paid Riot Squad's that Hillary deployed tot he Trump rallies?

And now all of the sudden riots are unacceptable???

Your confirmation bias is pretty strong when it comes to O'Keefe isn't it?

"they tried to hire & bust some violent provocateurs in a sting"

Let's break that statement down:

The people who didn't take money to be violent provocateurs are labeled "violent provocateurs" and James O'Keefe et al, who have a long and well documented history of malfeasance are presumed to be acting in good faith.

It's not surprising because you've missed absolutely no opportunity to say "Paid Riot Squads" over the last few months since the last Project Veritas (hilarious name considering he's a serial hoaxer) videos came out. You even capitalize it! The videos didn't reveal any "Paid Riot Squads" at all though did they?

- Scott Foval said he that he has trained (unpaid) protesters to aggressively "bird dog." Which is what? Shouting phrases at people entering/existing rallies or even just wearing the right t-shirt. Remember his words?

"I mean honestly, it is not hard to get some of these assholes to pop off. It’s a matter of showing up, to want to get into the rally, in a Planned Parenthood t-shirt. Or, Trump is a Nazi, you know. You can message to draw them out, and draw them to punch you."

That's not a "Paid Riot Squad." #1 they weren't paid, #2 they weren't starting riots though that one senior woman (Shirley Teeter) did say the right triggering phrase to the wrong person and get assaulted for it. He also admits that over "the past 20 years" he's paid off some "crazy" homeless people for (whatever crazy stunt) with meals and a shower I think it was? Having no direct bearing on this election. (or fitting the bill of "Paid Riot Squad") It stinks, it's unethical and it's clearly training people to incite others to flip out so that they can be caught on camera doing so but it's not "PRS" nor is it new or something one side does exclusively.

Specific details of the allegations can be read in this complaint and the cited examples include holding signs that say "Nope" with an unflattering picture of Donald Trump. That's a PSR to you but Infowars + Roger Stone paying bounties to disrupters wearing shirts with a picture of Bill Clinton and the word "Rape" are somehow not PSRs but rather an innocent "contest."

- As to the statements of Aaron Minter (aka Aaron Black) who you'll notice is not named in the above complaint (convenient isn't it?) and who is has since come out was working in conjunction with Breitbart, of which Project Veritas (which also received funding from Donald Trump) is a subsidary for all intents and purposes, to "bird dog" Marco Rubio while dressed as a robot. His statements in the clip:

"So the Chicago protest when they shut all that, that was us. It was more him [Bob Creamer] than me, but none of this is supposed to come back to us, because we want it coming from people, we don’t want it to come from the party. So if we do a protest and it’s a DNC protest, right away the press is going to say partisan. But if I’m in there coordinating with all the troops on the ground and sort of playing the field general but they are the ones talking to the cameras, then it’s actually people. But if we send out press advisories with DNC on them and Clinton campaign it just doesn’t have that same effect."

Given the levels of violence at the Chicago rally, this is clearly the more serious and more like to fit the description of a "riot." However, what is this O'Keefe-through-Breitbart (or is it Breitbart-through-O'Keefe? Hmmmm...) associate confessing to? "Coordinating with all the troops on the ground and sort of playing the field general."

What does that mean to you? It seems clear that he's saying he coordinated with various activists groups to organize a large scale protest. What's missing from the "Paid Riot Squad" narrative is that there's no indication that any of the protesters were paid. So now we have "Riot Squad." Clearly "riot squad" implies two things: 1) a group trained for a particular purpose ("squad") and 2) that the purpose of this group is to riot. Do Minter's words support that? No. It's also interesting that he throws Creamer under the bus right at the beginning of his statement but I digress — there's no indication from the statements that the activists groups were trained for riotous conduct or that there was even an expecation of such behavior. In other words, not only is there no evidence of the protesters being paid, there's no evidence of the existence based on these statements of even a single "riot squad" let alone multiple "Paid Riot Squads."

I'll give my thoughts on these new shenanigans in the next post.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

No, I just have to watch the video to know what's up.

Also, I'm not outraged at all and I did point out how both of them did this same thing. In fact I mentioned it in my post to you which makes me think you didn't bother reading what I said and instead just decided to throw a fit over it. Maybe next time you should read what's written first and we wouldn't have these awkward moments. So there's your "fair shake".

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Secondary to whether or not they would have let this go to point of actual disruption of the inauguration had they promised sufficient financial motivation to the right person (because we have no way of knowing either way), is the fact that they are trying to entrap people with... large sums of money.

What is entrapment? Entrapment is generally when a group or individual causes another to commit a crime that the entrapped party would not otherwise commit.

What would YOU or I or anyone in this thread do for half a million dollars? That's a whole lot of motivation. Everyone has a price. That's why courts have ruled favorably in entrapment defenses. In essence, in the absence of a desire, the entrapper is artificially inducing that desire in the entrappee.

For O'Keefe and team, it would simply be a matter of offering enough people a large enough sum of money before they would eventually entrap a person on camera agreeing to do something — which that person may or may not actually have done at the end of the day. It's even easier since the people they're trying to persuade are activists who are already likely to protest so it's even less of a dilemma.

Can you honestly say that this operation would be exposing anything except the well established fact that if you offer enough people enough money, you'll find somebody willing to do just about anything?

Also, it's worth noting that in this case, the would be provocateurs are actually O'Keefe and his crew. Interestingly, you're tacitly acknowledging an understanding of the problem with provocateurs. What do provocateurs do? They incite people to do things, often violent or criminal, that they wouldn't otherwise do without the inducement of the provocateur.

Anyway, I hope this will give you pause as you're melodramatically saying "Paid Riot Squad!" and pretending like the O'Keefe is any better than political dirty tricksters from "the other side." He's just one asshole who sometimes gets lucky catching his own ilk on camera — at best — and often he's just a known hoaxer who has defamed multiple people with deceptively edited videos.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Sillyolme
There are going to be protests regardless of who is behind it.
Come on guys.

You knew this.

Maybe so, but $$$ corrupts political motive, it's no longer organic or heart felt.

If I saw anything at all in the last election cycle that was organic and heartfelt, it was Bernie Sanders campaign. I trust that you know what went on at the Democratic National Convention?

Fir the record, I was not a Bernie Sanders supporter.

Yes that I know, and that's why she didn't get my vote, her past actions was a turn off and she is a corporatist shill.

great!! so now, if something does happen, we all can be arguing over weather the dems paid for the violence, or the republicans did... along with this little lady needing a lawyer, how nice!!!
outside of that, glad they got caught!!

a reply to: Spider879


Humm, To me it seems that whomever that "Brittney Riviera" is (the video seems to suggest it is her talking to O'Keefe. It seems that it is her trying to punk O'Keefe, or it wasn't truly a punk, since wikileaks and DNCleaks shows the DNC really were promoting for these tactics.

According to this video, which is described as a teaser, the progressives were the ones approaching O'keefe?



Not even sure what the hell is going on. More so with all these latest revelations of "progressives" reporting false news as truth and claiming the truth is fake news...

BTW, do notice that the name of the video, and that video I linked comes from "progressive" journalist Lauren Windsor

So, the statement that "progressives punk O'Kefee" comes from her.