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Trump is right. Crimea should be part of Russia.

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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:29 PM
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Russia and Ukraine were members of the USSR. Under the USSR constitution, one member cannot give a part of it to another member without Duma approval. Khrushchev's transfer of Crimea peninsula from Russia to Ukraine in 1954 was an illegal act.

Russia didn't take back the entire Crimea peninsula. Russia took back Crimea republic and Sevastopol city in 2014 and did not touch the part of Kherson oblast on the Crimea peninsula.

Russia did nothing illegal and didn't go one step beyond legality.

en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: AdamHeiman

If you would like to maintain balance

You would understand a "super power" needs its ice free harbors.

The best would be a DEMOCRATIC decision by the occupants based on ACTUAL and FACTUAL information.

Unfortunately that seems to be an Utopia these days no matter where you live.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: AdamHeiman
I would recommend taking the history back further (and getting away from the narrow ground of Soviet Union law).
Crimea was an eighteenth-century conquest from the Ottomans, Ukraine was an eighteenth-century conquest from Poland-Lithuania. There was no direct connection between the two before Krushchev's decision. Put the case on that broader basis.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: AdamHeiman

This is a rather weak argument since the USSR no longer exists. Why does their legal decisions/missteps matter today?



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: AdamHeiman

This is a rather weak argument since the USSR no longer exists. Why does their legal decisions/missteps matter today?


When Ukraine became a state, it kept Crimea illegally because Crimea was transferred from Russia to Ukraine illegally in 1954.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: AdamHeiman

So? The legal body that defined the law you are disputing doesn't exist anymore. There is no one to dispute the legality of said claim or argue it in court. So it is irrelevant to today's politics.

This is like saying that the US should return all the land it exists on to the natives because we illegally stole it from them in the first place.
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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: AdamHeiman

I have always thought that it should. They speak Russian as a majority. It seems logical to me.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: Neith
a reply to: AdamHeiman

I have always thought that it should. They speak Russian as a majority. It seems logical to me.


They ALL speak Russian in Crimea. Before 2014 they all did that.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: AdamHeiman

So? The legal body that defined the law you are disputing doesn't exist anymore. There is no one to dispute the legality of said claim or argue it in court. So it is irrelevant to today's politics.

This is like saying that the US should return all the land it exists on to the natives because we illegally stole it from them in the first place.


Natives didn't have law let alone a constitution. Natives killed each other for land and resources.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:55 PM
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This is like saying that the US should return all the land it exists on to the natives because we illegally stole it from them in the first place.


Not even. The indigenous people of the Crimean Peninsula, Crimean Tartars, were removed to Uzbekistan (mainly) by Stalin's order in 1944. What the OP clearly wants to ignore is that Russia is a signatory of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: AdamHeiman

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: AdamHeiman

So? The legal body that defined the law you are disputing doesn't exist anymore. There is no one to dispute the legality of said claim or argue it in court. So it is irrelevant to today's politics.

This is like saying that the US should return all the land it exists on to the natives because we illegally stole it from them in the first place.


Natives didn't have law let alone a constitution. Natives killed each other for land and resources.

What? Um... No... The natives, by many accounts, were just as civilized and well behaved as any other group of people on the planet. Our country of a loose affiliation of states under a federal government was an idea DIRECTLY lifted from the Iroquois Nation. The fact that you are still entertaining this silliness either speaks to your education (or lack of one) or that you are a racist. I really hope it is the former and not the latter because the former is much easier to fix.

Heck. Good ole Ben Franklin had MUCH respect for the natives. Even more so than his British ancestors.
Remarks concerning the Savages of North America
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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Krazysh0t


This is like saying that the US should return all the land it exists on to the natives because we illegally stole it from them in the first place.


Not even. The indigenous people of the Crimean Peninsula, Crimean Tartars, were removed to Uzbekistan (mainly) by Stalin's order in 1944. What the OP clearly wants to ignore is that Russia is a signatory of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances.

Ok. Thanks for the heads up on that one. In any case, the OP is delusional here.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: AdamHeiman

an s/f to that.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: Neith
a reply to: AdamHeiman

I have always thought that it should. They speak Russian as a majority. It seems logical to me.

So Canada should be split up into parts of France and Britain while the US is divided between Britain and Spain since the majority spoken language implies which country is in charge right?



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: AdamHeiman

I agree that Russia did nothing wrong.

IF I were Putin or in charge of Russia I would have done the same thing.

We can't fault them for acting in their own best interest in this case.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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Trump is right. Crimea should be part of Russia


Only if the want to be.

During the era of the Union of Soviet SOCIALISTS Republik they didn't have much of a choice.

Which was hardly 'democratic'.

Crimea,Ukraine, and others were 'annexed' by Russia.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Neith
a reply to: AdamHeiman

I have always thought that it should. They speak Russian as a majority. It seems logical to me.

So Canada should be split up into parts of France and Britain while the US is divided between Britain and Spain since the majority spoken language implies which country is in charge right?


By conquest. Just like Siberia is Russian by conquest.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Most of those people WANT to be part of Russia.

What's the problem with that?



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: Neith
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Most of those people WANT to be part of Russia.

What's the problem with that?


That point is moot. Austrians want to be Germans.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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Trump's right. He's smarter than everyione else. Russia should take back the entire Soviet Union. It was theirs afterall. And Alaska while we're at it. That was theirs too. I'm sure helping them get back their rea estate would make Putin happy.




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