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Stunning new data indicates El Nino drove record highs in global temperatures ...

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posted on Dec, 10 2016 @ 01:01 PM
a reply to: Greven

We will know who the independent scientists are when the Catholic Church excommunicates them. That is what happens to scientists who oppose the church.

You have "proved" NOTHING and provided proof of nothing! There was a Class 5 Ice breaker, diverted from its normal duties, in order to lead the Chrystal Serenity. This is a far better class of ice breaker than normal (normal is class 1). It also had 2 helicopters to scout ahead to avoid the ice. The cruise was developed as a means of reviving a failing cruise line.

The Chrystal Serenity cruise was a money maker.

And by the way, Roald Amundsen discovered the North West passage in 1906. Its true that the ship was not as large, but it wasn't built as well or accompanied by an ice breaker or helicopters.

but but but......there wasn't any climate change in 1906. However was it possible???????

That is climate change alarmists for you....making history warmer and erasing it...all at the same time

If the Chystal Serenity got stranded in ice for 2 weeks, they would have said that they only stopped to avoid running over the drowning polar bears. No way will they say that they ran into ice.

Tired of Control Freaks

posted on Dec, 10 2016 @ 01:36 PM
a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks
Oh, so now you won't accept it as proof? No critiques of it - just stonewall nonacceptance? That's even more pathetic.

As shown by the ice extent, said icebreaker did nothing. There was no ice to run into. The Northwest Passage was clear enough for a ship with a hull not suited for ice to transit successfully with no assistance.

The icebreaker was there in case they needed it. They didn't. The end. It's one of few large ships to make the transit. The first (and still largest) was specially outfitted for the journey.

The Northwest Passage was explored prior to Amundsen's successful transit. Said transit took a painstaking three years (1903 to 1906), because the ship kept freezing in the ice and was slower. The Crystal Serenity did it in 31 days, with frequent stops for its passengers.

posted on Dec, 10 2016 @ 09:19 PM

originally posted by: intergalactic fire
a reply to: mbkennel

The fact that we have no clue why some El Niños are stronger than others and we don't even know what causes an El Niño in the first place, says a lot about our knowledge of the climate.
It is easy to explain a greenhouse effect in theory but the reality is a lot more complicated.

We do know ENSO is controlled by the sun. Cosmic rays influence solar activity, and of course our ocean also respond to these cosmic changes.

The role of cosmic rays in the Earth’s atmospheric

Evidence for a physical linkage between galactic cosmic rays and regional climate time series

Solar activity correlation with NAO and ENSO

Influence of the 11 year solar cycle on annual streamflow maxima
in Southern Canada

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