a reply to: ketsuko
That's the question, I agree. And it is my sincere hope - indeed, at this point in time my greatest
hope - that that is indeed the case. That
there's nothing to fear, and everyone is just in histrionics.
That said... I have a long time friend who has always been an extremely rational, objective person. He's gay and a member of an ethnic minority. But
he has always rejected the sensationalism of both the far left and right media, forming his own well considered opinions. He was a high school teacher
before his retirement, served our country in two wars, and is not inclined towards sensationalism.
And he is at this moment consulting with his financial advisers, lawyers, and the state dpt to lay the groundwork to leave the country should it
become necessary. When I asked why, his reply was, "Because while it's not to that point yet, I'm afraid I can see the writing on the wall. Maybe
this will be nothing. I hope it is. But maybe this is just how it starts."
His voice cracked as he said it. That's not the man I am used to
conversing with, and he didn't arrive at that opinion because he only watches liberal media.
As a white, heterosexual male, these possibilities won't affect me like they will others in this country. And while I sincerely hope - and am
definitely willing to wait and see if (benefit of the doubt as I said) - the things so many minorities are presently afraid of turn out to be
unfounded knee jerk reactions... I also can't help but think about something he told me once. "My friend, people don't like to think about this.
And 9 times out of 10, it really is just hysteria and fear with no foundation. But, for all intents and purposes, a society can be judged by how it
treats its poorest and most vulnerable. And for that reason, they often act like the canaries in the coal mine. Do you understand?"
I didn't then. But I do find myself thinking today that maybe, just maybe
even if it turns out they're wrong, we should be at least paying
attention and listening to those who are most likely to be affected by such curtailments, should they occur. Rather than relying on our own cognitive
dissonance and normalcy bias to persuade us everything will be just fine.
Let me put it this way. Whether it's a left leaning or a right leaning president... the job of the people has to be, in my opinion, to be
, no? That's why my criticisms of administrations does not lean more heavily toward one side or the other.
Bush I gave us NAFTA. Clinton signed it and laid a lot of the unitary executive theory groundwork (which Bush II later picked up and ran with,) and
curtailed second amendment rights. Bush II gave us warrantless wiretapping, data mining, and a mandatory national ID protocol (which all states have
quietly implemented after the fact,) as well as the erosion of habeus corpus and, briefly until overturned, posse comitatus, and legalized torture
("enhanced interrogations.") Obama has further eroded habeus corpus with the signing of the NDAA, pushed for further second amendment curtailment,
engaged in presidential overreach in a number of areas, made drone strikes everywhere in the world including on U.S. soil should it ever be necessary
a normalized fact of life, and ignored government violations of treaties with native peoples.
Now we have a President-Elect who has openly advocated or failed to repudiate things that give people great cause for concern. In my eyes, the
government has been becoming increasingly authoritarian irrespective of which party holds office, and it would be a fair assessment in my opinion to
say Trump's campaign statements line up with a potential furthering of that slide.
All I'm asking... and no one has responded to this plea yet in the affirmative... is, just as I will say I refuse to support the curtailment of the
second amendment and other constitutional rights the right cherishes (with good reason,) for those on the right to consider reaching out to those who
are afraid even if you regard their fears and unfounded, and help support that position
by saying, "No, I will not support the curtailing of
What I'm saying is, imo, if people can't or won't do that for each other, on both sides, then we should all be very concerned because to me it
suggests we are in a constitutional curtailment tit for tat between both sides, which successively from administration to administration, regardless
of party, can only in time result in fewer protections for all
I think we can and should all agree that would be a very bad thing, no? People don't have to agree with the left or whoever else is out there
protesting, or even believe that anything is wrong. But can we at least make that promise to each other as citizens, and brothers and sisters? I
will not support the curtailing of your civil and constitutional rights.
? This should not be a hard question to answer for any American on either
Unless of course, we're all lost...
edit on 11/15/2016 by AceWombat04 because: typo