Republicans are 95% Corrupt, Democrats are 75% Corrupt

Originally posted by The Vagabond
Not everyone who is against bad things is good my friend. Some of the loudest voices on the left are the same breed of weasel that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are. Half of the political radicals want to conquer the world, the other half want to hand over our sovreignity. All of those radicals are supporting agendas that do not benefit the people but which do benefit whatever secret political and business ties they have to certain influential conspirators in what presidents themselves have called "new world order".

I don't mean to be rude, but something in what I read sounded an awful lot like "even moderate conservatives like Powell are evil, but far left whackos like Boxer are the good guys". That's absolutely backwards. What few TRUE moderates we have are the good guys, and the extremists, almost to the man, do not represent the best interest of any majority of Americans.

Originally posted by Bout Time
The reason she should be lauded is exemplified in your Powell endorsement: "genteel" & "reserved dissent" are useless in the face of ideology driven extremeists like the Bush Administration....

from Bout Time
The above comes from Robert F. Kennedy Jr., our next NY State Attorney General, since Elliot Spitzer is vacating the job to run ( and become ) NY 's next Govenor.

Robert Kennedy Jr. Says He Won't Run for N.Y. Attorney General
Jan. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the environmentalist son of slain U.S. Senator Robert Kennedy, said he won't run for New York Attorney General next year because he wants to spend more time with his family.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Sorry to be the bearer of good news but he is not going to run.

Robert Kennedy Jr. Says He Won't Run for N.Y. Attorney General
Jan. 25 (Bloomberg) --

Just say No

Originally posted by The Vagabond


The liberal whacko comment is aimed that the image she creates for herself for the way she's gone after Rice with guns blazing on the Iraq issue. Right wrong or indifferent, when you are that loud and that belligerent people write you off as a whacko. 51% of this country is not listening to Boxer.

I would have to conclude that you in fact did not watch the full proceedings when this exchange took place. The entire exchange was conducted in full "Comittee Speak" - there were no raised voices, no heated words and especially no loquacious grandstanding. What you're echoing is the continued media framing of Boxer being a "loose cannon" going back to her dissent vote on the certification of the elctoral tally.....she's been a target of that supposed "LIBERAL MEDIA" ( you know, that one that seems to be coming up on the White House payroll with regularity)

You'll never convince me that 51% of this country voted for Bush.

They didn't - but those who ran the count felt that was a comfortable yet believable margin

What would make him so popular? He pissed of union workers including myself with the 8 hour workday deal. He's pissed off anyone who knows anything about the military, including myself, by fighting Iraq right out of the Vietnam playbook.
Yet he was the pick of 51% of the country, including myself, because we were voting against loud-mouthed idiots like Kerry who offer no answers, just criticism; LOUD, VITRIOLIC criticism.

Then you're emblematic of the biggest problem in this country - soundbyte duration "common sense" that won't get off it's proverbial azz and do it's own research, married to the displaced perception that it's a POPULARITY CONTEST. If nothing else was looked at, someone could have gone to the ATS campaign 2004 forum and seen a full analysis of each platform component, particulary on Kerry, SINCE I WROTE MANY OF THEM.
Loud criticism comes after a clusterf***k, that happens, don't ya know, especially for anyone who knows anything about the military & economy, like Kerry, me and as you say, you.


You and I will have to agree to disagree I suppose, but here is my final statement of my point just to show where I'm coming from.

Somebody who is respected by Bush's 51%- somebody who shows an aversion to war but who backs his country once the war is on, somebody with a moderate record and somebody who has credibility both inside and outside of the political arena has to oppose Bush with a soft voice and firm arguement. Not too many dems can offer this.

Your solution is a call for complacency...someone who wants to "Play Ball"!?! The supposed 51% are not worth placating.....the efforts need to be directed towards those 5% - 10% who were hung up on a single issue while turning a blind eye to the overall failure because of that single issue focus. The rest of that supposed 51% is no where near what we should cater our country towards!!!

Everyone who wants to yell into a microphone and pose for the cameras and be a leader in the attack on this administration may as just save their breath and their posturing and give up because a good part of Bush's 51% see them as disloyal for it.

See above

If these same people, with the backing of credible outsiders like Powell and McCain, want to tone down their volume and their choice of words, stop gunning for Bush and really focus on the issue at hand, they can win the issue. They speed us out of Iraq, they could keep us out of Iran, they could even probably change the constitution to keep this from happening again.

When does credability exactly get lost, in your eyes, with those two? Powell played face to some of the most damning lies to facilitate the lead up to war. McCain opposed every propaganda push by team Bush, then went out of his way to campaign for him, championing the same points he said were false.
Additionally, the presidential race is over, so that single source visionary is no longer able to gain a voice until 2008.

You know what they can't do? They can't win if they don't mean it- and right now they don't. They can't win if this is just a play for political power. What's this thread about after all? They are 75% corrupt too! They don't really want out of Bush's agenda half as bad as they want in to the whitehouse, and once they get there they will take Bush's crimes in new directions to suit their particular interests.


Keep in mind, that you're acknowledging Bush's crimes after you came out supporting him, via your vote.

That's why I think it's so important to bring in people who didn't waste their voice shouting at the wind. Because they are the ones who will be heard now, and their positions have been no less politically motivated than those of people on the left- they just didn't have the luxury of having "the right thing" also be the convenient thing. Even the left did the right thing in the wrong way because that was what politics demanded.

As I am in agreement with RFK Jr., I am in partial agreement with your assessment. However, if we are only dealing with 5% within the party who are in opposition, and 25% outside of the party, how do you propose for that small percentage of people, who do not chair any of the comittee's or hold any party leadership positions, get the message out? Ghandi like pacifism in COngress!?!? It's not going to work. Apply some hypothetical numbers to it:
100 Senators, lets say split down the middle along party lines. 50R x 5%= 2.5 non-corrupt. 50D x 25% = 12.5 non-corrupt. So this loyal band of American Senators go into every issue, every vote, every decision, outnumbered 85 to 15.....what exactly do you see as being a viable arena EXCEPT FOR the court of PUBLIC OPINION? And in that court, you don't get a camera on you unless you are making noise, especially when the party power brokers stage manage media interaction to the scale it's managed these days. Look at the staggeringly stupid comments made by the Democrats in the Rice Q & A. Look at Joe Biden say she was a horrible NSA, yet " I'm going to vote for her, because a president should have their choice of who they put in that role." Why rank & file Democrats don't burn these whores in effigy is beyond me.

Originally posted by Bout Time
"The Republicans are 95 percent corrupt and the Democrats are 75 percent corrupt".

The above comes from Robert F. Kennedy Jr., our next NY State Attorney General ...