Obamacare is Meant to Fail in Order to Usher in Government-Run Socialist Health Care

Everyone can get healthcare, one just needs to be valued by society enough to afford it. That is their problem not mine.

a reply to: xuenchen

Profits go out of somebody's pocket into somebody else's.

Bigger government, Bigger unions, Bigger fraudsters. The federal government is ill equipped to handle single payor on behalf of 340M insureds.

One Medicare sting in Miami uncovered $238M just from the year prior, in a single city.

Forbes: Medicare And Medicaid Fraud Is Costing Taxpayers Billions

The problem isn’t new. Federal officials set up the Medicare Fraud Strike Force in 2007, which visited at random nearly 1,600 businesses in Miami, ground zero for Medicare fraud, that had billed Medicare for durable medical equipment. Officials found that nearly a third of the businesses, 481, didn’t even exist, yet they had billed Medicare for $237 million over the previous year, according to National Public Radio.

originally posted by: TopDawg
Good for the poor, bad for anyone who took their life seriously and in return is valued by society.

There's a reason princes and kings come to the states for medical care. As socialized medicine takes hold expect innovation and R and D to decrease, breaththroughs to slow, and wait times to increase.

All this so we can pay for the democrat bottom dwellers who can't afford their own lives and well being.

We already pay for the "bottom dwellers" healthcare. Socialized medicine would just envelope the rest in to a single-payer system.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: introvert

Yea, the government is professionals at keeping things cost effective.

The military and FEMA are beacons of light to show it can be done!

No argument from me there. I just happen to believe that everyone should be able to get healthcare and the insurance companies are a scam. 30%-40% of healthcare costs are nothing but profit for insurance companies.

We can do better.

How much do health insurers profit?

If we look average profit margins by industry, health insurance companies are pretty close to the bottom, with an overall average profit margin of just 3.3%. For perspective, the banking and real estate industries have profit margins that average over 20%, and major drug manufacturers average profit margins of nearly 22%

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: TopDawg
Good for the poor, bad for anyone who took their life seriously and in return is valued by society.

There's a reason princes and kings come to the states for medical care. As socialized medicine takes hold expect innovation and R and D to decrease, breaththroughs to slow, and wait times to increase.

All this so we can pay for the democrat bottom dwellers who can't afford their own lives and well being.

We already pay for the "bottom dwellers" healthcare. Socialized medicine would just envelope the rest in to a single-payer system.

I do not recognize o mongrel care and neither will president trump. Let them rot.

a reply to: eisegesis

Less than 3% of Americans are feeling significant pain from ObamaCare. That's why there's no big uprising over the huge premium increases, higher deductibles, smaller Medical Networks, etc..

a reply to: eisegesis


Ummm...I remember this discussion from when it was first rolled out...without it being read...

Nancy Pelosi will forever be the poster meme of that stunner...




YOuSir

a reply to: introvert

Haha kudos for taking the sarcasm well. But yes, something does need to get done about rampant gouging.

originally posted by: introvert
I think socialized healthcare is inevitable and what we really need to get costs under control.

Bring it on!

If you want to bring costs down, you get government regulation as far away as possible.

a reply to: carewemust

Less than 3% of Americans are feeling significant pain from ObamaCare. That's why there's no big uprising over the huge premium increases, higher deductibles, smaller Medical Networks, etc..

They will, but it will kick-in after the election. Big union employers and big business are currently working through it, now. Their employees will hear about in December when notifications of 2017 premium fair-share are pushed through. Late November they'll start to push out.

Small employers and the self-employed are getting notices, now. I received my fifth policy cancellation notice in five years. My 2016 premium represented a 100% increase since ACA-inception. Coverage has degraded, and deductibles have increased from $10/$15 to $90/$120, with total annual deductible skyrocketing to $13,700.

I haven't even bothered to shop 2017 policies, yet. But we will be hearing more about 2017 premiums, once the election has passed. Same thing occurred in 2012.

a reply to: eisegesis

Like so many things in life this isn't a black or white issue. I think the real answer is somewhere between our predatory style capitalist system and socialist system. I have a few reasons:

We pay the absolute most $ for health care and are the 37th among other countries in medical outcomes. This is the real reason our med insurance cost so much, they pay the $2500 MRI's and the $500 EKG's and let's not mention pharma. Hospitals are the only place that 35 year old+ technology still costs the same as it did when that tech was introduced.

We pay 50% to %100 or more for the drugs than Canada and it is illegal to buy our drugs from Canada, but NAFTA allows cars and refrigerators and you name it to flow freely.

ONE of the many sources of high medical costs in the United States is the de facto monopoly of the American Medical Association in the distribution of licenses to practice medicine.
A new clinic chain, Medical Marts (yes, Medical Marts), operating inside Meijer supercentre stores in Illinois, has answered the AMA by having real AMA-approved doctors on the premises

The long and short of the article is the AMA controls how many. How many family Dr.'s, MRI machines and how may neurologist are in a certain area. They do this by licenses, more licenses more Dr.'s and in theory prices come down (I don't think so but...)

Our govt is supposed to keep the market clear of monopolies and promote the general welfare and security of the people. There is no easy answer, but the brains that came up the ACA must of had an agenda to make so many mistakes. Like not negotiating drug prices and capping the medical insurance industries profits to run there companies to mirror medicaid's costs. My opinion is there are a few of them should see the inside of a jail cell.




www.economist.com...

a reply to: eisegesis

This conspiracy theory is really stupid considering how the Dems did Bernie wrong and his big thing was single payer.

a reply to: Spaceunicorn

This conspiracy theory is really stupid considering how the Dems did Bernie wrong and his big thing was single payer.

It matters who's name is on the bill that does what ever to "super fix" the medical industry so hard (this time).

You fail to take into account how vain and narcissistic and small and dumb and drunk and cheating and conniving these politicians are.

originally posted by: sanitizedinfo
and what your missing is the fact chemtrails, wave weapons, and mind control keep the masses stupified and weak in order to brainwash and facilitate an easy takeover on top of it all.

Um..... What?

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: introvert
I think socialized healthcare is inevitable and what we really need to get costs under control.

Bring it on!

If you want to bring costs down, you get government regulation as far away as possible.

Without regulation, there would be no standards for healthcare whatsoever.

originally posted by: Spaceunicorn
a reply to: eisegesis

This conspiracy theory is really stupid considering how the Dems did Bernie wrong and his big thing was single payer.

Good point.

The wealthy elite who control our government do not want single payer because it'll eat a hole in their pockets.

The only way reason Obama managed to push through the ACA was because it incentivized the wealthy and powerful insurance industry, which kept at least some of the elite happy.

Single payer will take a revolution.

But I do believe it's the only solution.

a reply to: EightAhoy

Thanks for relating how ObamaScrew is affecting your company, and you, EightAhoy. Many companies who are not under Hillary Clinton's spell, will pass along a general notice to all employees before the election.

It will say something along the lines of, "Due to an increase in regulations, and costs, associated with the Affordable Care Act (ACA), we will be making several adjustments to your 2017 benefit package. In December, we'll let you know of the specifics."

a reply to: Greggers

Single payer = monopoly = illegal.

You are advocating for the revocation of antitrust laws, by taking competition out of the healthcare industry it essentially creates a fascist economic model.

Maybe we should have a 'single payer' system for utilities, transportation, media, and food.

This is the reality:

In Italy, the UK, Spain and France, cuts of varying depths are now being introduced. In France, where the health system is usually seen as the best, the budget is exceeded by billions of euros every year: the head of the association of French pharmacies says the system cannot survive more than six years without deep reform. In the UK, the new director of the Care Quality Commission that oversees standards, said after his appointment earlier this year that "the system is on the brink of collapse."

Reuters

People who advocate for 'single payer' system, are advocating for the destruction of that particular nation, for the collapse of an economic system and the millions of deaths that follow.

originally posted by: introvert
I think socialized healthcare is inevitable and what we really need to get costs under control.

Bring it on!

And while you're busy patting yourself on the back over all this, you never stop to ask yourself why the method to do it wasn't to lift everyone up to a good standard but instead to break everyone down and lower them into the absolute dirt.

Could it be that it's because they know that no matter how "awesome" their system is sold as, it would not be anywhere as good as what most Americans enjoyed before under their private, competitive system, but instead it's going to be much closer to what the VA is ... assuming it's even that efficient?

originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: Greggers

Single payer = monopoly = illegal.

You are advocating for the revocation of antitrust laws, by taking competition out of the healthcare industry it essentially creates a fascist economic model.

I don't think you understand the purpose of antitrust laws. Single Payer would not be a business. It would be the replacement of a capitalist model with a socialist model.

And no, single payer would not destroy the country. The present system, with or without the ACA, is unsustainable and will eventually break under its own weight.