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Luke 17:19
And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
Mark 5:34
And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Luke 8:48
And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
Mark 10:52
And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: Profusion
When I read those passages, I always imagine a kindly shopkeeper telling the old neighborhood widow "Put your purse away, your money is no good here!"
That is how I take those verses. Faith was good enough "payment" for Jesus to do his healing sorcery and it was a price already paid in advance.
originally posted by: Profusion
Jesus supposedly said "Your faith has made you whole" several times. What does it mean to you?
Luke 17:19
And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
Mark 5:34
And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Luke 8:48
And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
Mark 10:52
And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
To me, it means that a person's faith can heal them. The "placebo effect" has proven that to be the case.
What Is the Placebo Effect?
The problem I have with the concept is the fact that some people over-rely on it. Some people seem to think they can wish themselves (isn't faith just a wish?) into having anything they want. That can be counter-productive because if you rely too much on faith, it can keep you from taking action. In my experience, a lack of action is almost always ruinous.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
If faith were required or religion had something to do with it, then the placebo effect would only effect faithful Christians. Instead it effects saints and child molestors all the same.
originally posted by: Abysha
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
If faith were required or religion had something to do with it, then the placebo effect would only effect faithful Christians. Instead it effects saints and child molestors all the same.
Yes, it affects saints and child molesters all the same... who have faith in something. The placebo effect relies on faith in the placebo they are taking, whether that is a pill or belief in their gods. Faith doesn't always mean Jesus.
originally posted by: Abysha
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
If faith were required or religion had something to do with it, then the placebo effect would only effect faithful Christians. Instead it effects saints and child molestors all the same.
Yes, it affects saints and child molesters all the same... who have faith in something. The placebo effect relies on faith in the placebo they are taking, whether that is a pill or belief in their gods. Faith doesn't always mean Jesus.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: Abysha
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
If faith were required or religion had something to do with it, then the placebo effect would only effect faithful Christians. Instead it effects saints and child molestors all the same.
Yes, it affects saints and child molesters all the same... who have faith in something. The placebo effect relies on faith in the placebo they are taking, whether that is a pill or belief in their gods. Faith doesn't always mean Jesus.
I'm not so sure. Is it that faith in the placebo caused the "healing" or did the immunsystem just kick its butt, and in hindsight we assume the persons belief effected it?
Kinda like eating an apple and getting a stomach ache. Did the apple cause the ache or just coincide with it?