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Turkey Sets Threatening Ultimatum against EU Migrant Deal

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posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 02:10 PM
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Turkey Sets Ultimatum for EU Migrant Deal

Turkey has threatened to back out of an agreement to stem the flow of migrants to the European Union if Turkish nationals are not granted visa-free travel to the bloc by October.

Europe is trapped in a no-win situation. European officials say that although Turkey has fulfilled most of their conditions, it has failed to relax its stringent anti-terrorism laws, which are being used to silence critics of President Erdoğan, especially since Turkey's failed coup on July 15.

The German newspaper Bild recently reported a confidential plan to house all migrants arriving from Turkey on Greek islands. Public transportation between those islands and the Greek mainland would be cut off to prevent migrants from moving into other parts of the EU.

"No matter how uncouth, how merciless, how unscrupulous Western countries act, they have no chance of keeping the migration flows under control." — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, quoted by German journalist Wolfram Weimer.

Turkey has threatened to back out of an agreement to stem the flow of migrants to the European Union if Turkish nationals are not granted visa-free travel to the bloc by October.

Although Turkish officials have repeatedly threatened to renege on the March 18 EU-Turkey deal, this is the first time they have set a deadline.

Turkey Sets Threatening Ultimatum against EU Migrant Deal

Erdogan shows his true colors,




posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 02:25 PM
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Um.. why should securing Europe's borders be Turkey's problem?

It's kind of ridiculous to feel threatened by another country not doing your own job for you because you're too PC/ scared to be called racist.

In a way, this is like extraordinary rendition where we're too PC to conduct torture ourselves, so we outsource it to other countries. Europe is too scared of being racist to control their own borders with Turkey, so they're outsourcing the job to Turkey. lol

Like you can't make this up. Europe is too scared to be seen as racist against brown people, so they outsource the job to brown people. LOL
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posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 02:39 PM
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yep and mr Erdogan also put pressure on the USA for delivering Mr Gulen to Turkey...otherways Erdogan steps out the NATO...
about 40% percent of the turk's are supporting the gulen movement...so ore they end up in an mass-grave...ore will be deported to europe with no need for an visum....

and europe and the USA are forced to support mr Erdogan's grills witch they will do !



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: tony9802


Turkey Sets Ultimatum for EU Migrant Deal

Turkey has threatened to back out of an agreement to stem the flow of migrants to the European Union if Turkish nationals are not granted visa-free travel to the bloc by October.

Europe is trapped in a no-win situation. European officials say that although Turkey has fulfilled most of their conditions, it has failed to relax its stringent anti-terrorism laws, which are being used to silence critics of President Erdoğan, especially since Turkey's failed coup on July 15.

The German newspaper Bild recently reported a confidential plan to house all migrants arriving from Turkey on Greek islands. Public transportation between those islands and the Greek mainland would be cut off to prevent migrants from moving into other parts of the EU.

"No matter how uncouth, how merciless, how unscrupulous Western countries act, they have no chance of keeping the migration flows under control." — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, quoted by German journalist Wolfram Weimer.

Turkey has threatened to back out of an agreement to stem the flow of migrants to the European Union if Turkish nationals are not granted visa-free travel to the bloc by October.

Although Turkish officials have repeatedly threatened to renege on the March 18 EU-Turkey deal, this is the first time they have set a deadline.

Turkey Sets Threatening Ultimatum against EU Migrant Deal

Erdogan shows his true colors,



I think you have shown your own true colours .


What do you take the Turks for ?

Fools ?



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 03:41 PM
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To be honest, Turkey would probably be more ameniable if it was not trying to sort out a problem made in Germany. Worrying times for Europe with the UK leaving, becuase Germany will have to take more of a lead role and they have not demonstrated leadership competence if this affair is a litmus test.

That aside, there's alot going on in Turkey that is also worrying. Turkey, under Erdogan, is rapidly going backwards towards authoritarianism.
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posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: 23432

Lettin in turks without papers will be as bad as letting immigrants/refugees in without papers. Can you swear terrorist will not say they are turkish and walk right in? This is all for the future caliphate and the europeans arent ready for another one.



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi
To be honest, Turkey would probably be more ameniable if it was not trying to sort out a problem made in Germany. Worrying times for Europe with the UK leaving, becuase Germany will have to take more of a lead role and they have not demonstrated leadership competence if this affair is a litmus test.

That aside, there's alot going on in Turkey that is also worrying. Turkey, under Erdogan, is rapidly going backwards towards authoritarianism.


The German made problem as you put it eloquently enough ; is a neccessity for the survival of European Economy.

Worrying times indeed but not because of the influx of migrants ; after all there are almost 4 million migrants in Turkey and no one is thinking that the Turkish Ideals will disappear .

Germans do have to prove that they can survive ; Carl Bildt is already warning EU leaders that they are losing the moral high ground to Erdogan .

UK alredy knew that there was nothing left to eat on the table of EU .


The notion of EU Values and Ideals being the best the Humanity can offer is rapidly going down the drain.

Germany needs to agree to share control of Europe , democratically , with other Europeans first , let alone Turkey & Ukraine & Russia .

As far as Erdogan & authoritarianism making a come back , i think that is not a total and fair representation of how things are in Turkey .



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 04:25 PM
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Turkey has wanted into the EU since....forever. Erdogan's plot is not in line with Turkey's plans. Going to get bloody there until the generals set it right.... and they will.



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: paraphi
To be honest, Turkey would probably be more ameniable if it was not trying to sort out a problem made in Germany. Worrying times for Europe with the UK leaving, becuase Germany will have to take more of a lead role and they have not demonstrated leadership competence if this affair is a litmus test.

That aside, there's alot going on in Turkey that is also worrying. Turkey, under Erdogan, is rapidly going backwards towards authoritarianism.


The German made problem as you put it eloquently enough ; is a neccessity for the survival of European Economy.



10-20 year GDP growth vs survival of your culture for thousands of years... pick which one is more important.
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posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 04:28 PM
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reality now = US and europe has to obay 'mr erogdan wishes...
and democraty has lost his "innocens" as long Turkey is NATO partner...
to keep the NATO principals "clean" Turkey has to kicked out straight away and all western connections with Turkey has to be closed ...... till mr Erdogan realises that he is just an part of it....



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: 23432

Lettin in turks without papers will be as bad as letting immigrants/refugees in without papers. Can you swear terrorist will not say they are turkish and walk right in? This is all for the future caliphate and the europeans arent ready for another one.


This is about Commerce and Control .

According to Ankara Agreement any Turk can come to UK and set up shop since 1960's ; how many do you think turned up ?

This is about Europeans not being able to compete against Turks so they have to stop Turkish Merchants trading on equal terms with Europeans .

Future Caliph is also about Commerce & Control of goods & services , including Banking & Finances where government under Sharia Law is obliged to provide you a house & a cut from nations natural resources . That's what Gaddafi's Socialism was based upon .

Turks have no interest in getting on the dole in UK and most so called Turks in UK are actual ethnic Kurds .

Yyou sound like a Little Englander and God Save us all if you are left in charge of Ship Britannica .



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: RedDragon

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: paraphi
To be honest, Turkey would probably be more ameniable if it was not trying to sort out a problem made in Germany. Worrying times for Europe with the UK leaving, becuase Germany will have to take more of a lead role and they have not demonstrated leadership competence if this affair is a litmus test.

That aside, there's alot going on in Turkey that is also worrying. Turkey, under Erdogan, is rapidly going backwards towards authoritarianism.


The German made problem as you put it eloquently enough ; is a neccessity for the survival of European Economy.



10-20 year GDP growth vs survival of your culture for thousands of years... pick which one is more important.


Culture doesn't die but evolve and if German Culture [ European Culture on the whole ] is not strong enough to entegrate not even %1 of it's own population ; one would argue natural selection requires that this Culture dies because it was not string enough to begin with .

Ironically Darwinist .


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posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 04:42 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
Turkey has wanted into the EU since....forever. Erdogan's plot is not in line with Turkey's plans. Going to get bloody there until the generals set it right.... and they will.


Most Turks thought the Europeans would regard them as equals .



Last few years has thought the Turks otherwise , people of Europe really think and believe that they are better than Turks .

Turks has decided to go Global and accept that there is no point in wanting to become a member of a club where the other members openly dislike Turks or at best feel a strong disdain for Turks.

Most Generals also see it this way and as for blood issue ; unless someone assasinates Erdogan I don't think it will come to that.



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: ressiv
reality now = US and europe has to obay 'mr erogdan wishes...
and democraty has lost his "innocens" as long Turkey is NATO partner...
to keep the NATO principals "clean" Turkey has to kicked out straight away and all western connections with Turkey has to be closed ...... till mr Erdogan realises that he is just an part of it....


you cant have your cake and just eat it .

or

what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

cant treat Turks as second class humans and tell them that they are part of the " family " ; no one is buying that dubiosity anymore.



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 04:48 PM
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Erdogan wants to resurrect the Ottoman Empire and regain the position of the head of Islam. Meanwhile Putin wants to resurrect the Soviet Union, or make Russia something grand (again).

Europe is not trapped at all. It would have been nice if the border between 'the west' and 'the ME' would be in Turkey instead of the EU (Greece) but it appears more each day that is not going to be. So the EU might as well give all that money to Greece or other EU nations to protect the borders, forget about Turkey.



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 04:49 PM
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originally posted by: RedDragon

Like you can't make this up. Europe is too scared to be seen as racist against brown people, so they outsource the job to brown people. LOL
Brown people? Turks (or some of them) are some of the whitest people in the world.



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: 23432
Most Generals also see it this way and as for blood issue ; unless someone assasinates Erdogan I don't think it will come to that.


That seems to be the inevitability to me. Turkey is one of the most well positioned countries in the world. As Van Halen said, "Everybody wants some."



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
Erdogan wants to resurrect the Ottoman Empire and regain the position of the head of Islam. Meanwhile Putin wants to resurrect the Soviet Union, or make Russia something grand (again).

Europe is not trapped at all. It would have been nice if the border between 'the west' and 'the ME' would be in Turkey instead of the EU (Greece) but it appears more each day that is not going to be. So the EU might as well give all that money to Greece or other EU nations to protect the borders, forget about Turkey.



The truth is Turkish Economy is heading towards 2 trillion GDP in next few years and projected to reach 8 trillion by 2030.

Your proposition about Greece is cute but non viable , a non starter if you like .

Athens can't live on hands out from Berlin .

Natural economy dictates that Istanbul & Izmir are better canditates for " better trading partners " ; heck Greeks are moving to Istanbul to get jobs and you want to turn Greece into open air refugee camp ?

Exodus is natural to humanity .



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 06:00 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: 23432
Most Generals also see it this way and as for blood issue ; unless someone assasinates Erdogan I don't think it will come to that.


That seems to be the inevitability to me. Turkey is one of the most well positioned countries in the world. As Van Halen said, "Everybody wants some."


Indeed .

“If the world was only one country, Istanbul would be its capital!”
- Napoleon



posted on Aug, 3 2016 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: 23432

I doubt Erdogan will be successful securing visas, my opinion is that he is going much too far obviously..also just want to state that I personally have been to Turkey and I think it 's a great nation, the people are very nice, and very welcoming..the food there is super and I like their tea beverages as well..just posting the article because no one seems to have noticed it, and i haven't seen this in any standard press source..when I state that Erdogan is showing his true colours I am referring to his attitude..and that's it..besides Turkish folk are actually quite caucasian looking, the problem with the possibility of the continued migrant issue is that radical extremists can more easily gain access to Europe..that's it..



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