China Threatens Australia Twice in Days with Destruction

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: mazzroth

I'd take a threat from Chine a little more seriously than from NK. Not sure if one in a newspaper is real or not, though. If it's not from the government, it could just be someone blowing off steam.

Any news paper is from the government in China they control the Media even BELIEVE IT OR NOT THE INTERNET. They decide what sites they see and even set up servers to alter information Chinese don't see the true Internet only what Chinese servers allow them to see.

a reply to: intrptr

DIDN'T think so sonny.

originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: mazzroth

If Australia gets smaked as stated by China we should blame noone but our so called leaders in Canberra. Its they who agree to being a vassal state of the US and will do anything the US instructs them to do.

This in turn, really means that if this happens its our own fault because we the people are supposed to be boss not the servant government in Canberra who has agreed to be a dog for the US.

A long time ago I watched a doco on TV wherein an Australian solider was one of many soldiers in a parade being addressed by an Americian Officer. Among other things the American officer said" The Brits have got the Gurkha's and we have the Aussies."

I suggest that arrangement with the US has still not changed. That statement also tells me went to Vietnam because we are a slave state of the US even though its dressed up to look like we're 'friends.'

Being a vassal state of the US is exactly what will cause us to get smacked by China if they smack America over the south china sea. IT WILL BE OUR OWN FAULT !.

You got this backwards the US was enslaved to Australia. Goes back to Anzus a security agreement which Australia used to bind the US military in it required any thing the US govt does in the pacific to include Australia. It also requires the secretary of defense and the head of the pacific fleet to inform ant and all actions taken to Australian Chief of Defence Forces. This was Australia's way of maintain relevance in thr region as well as giving them some control over the Pacific. Not even Nato members get this kind of access to thr US military. It was a very unique treaty. And also the integration of armed forces in the area is again unheard of you will have Australian commanders actually in charge of US personel.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: paraphi

Stop trying to derail the discussion.

Focus on the topic, not members.

This is not about the US, or NATO. It's about China and Australia.

Australia. and US are both members of NATO.

Aussie isn't a member of NATO.

Apr 7, 2016 - NATO and Australia are currently strengthening relations to address shared security challenges, building on dialogue and cooperation that have been developing since 2005. Australia is one of the top non-NATO troop contributors NATO-led operations in Afghanistan.

While we support NATO we are nowhere near the North Atlantic.

Kind regards,

Bally

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
a reply to: intrptr

South China sea...

Do they mean the Indian ocean?

The south China sea lays inbetween the Philippean islands and Vietnam, no where near India.

Australia does not take a position on disputes in the South China Sea so it is just bluster, saber rattling and propaganda.

One day.. a plane is going to be seen falling from the sky in pieces. it will leave a large smoke trail and will be caught on camera and uploaded quickly to you-tube..... after a short while it will be revealed to be a US reconnaissance plane.. and its distance to the Spratley Islands will start rumors that it was shot down by China.
Missiles will be bought to a higher level while both nations ''investigate'' the claims..

If it is found out to be proven that China shot down a US spy plane, would the US retaliate or talk?

If the US retaliated and actually entered into conflict they would embargo China by asking Australia to stop all exports to that nation... Would Australia comply and totally devastate its already struggling economy or give the finger to the US?

interesting days are fast approaching.. when the President of the US will be a rookie and still in handover mode!

originally posted by: troubleshooter
Australia does not take a position on disputes in the South China Sea so it is just bluster, saber rattling and propaganda.

Do you live in Australia
Ever heard of Julie bishop, she is a politician in the liberal party, maybe toddle off and see what she has said in the past, many many many times about that issue

You must be from the east coast

I'd say this is the usual hard line rhetoric hot air for domestic Chinese consumption, as some other posters have said the Communist party wants to appear strong and invincible for their own desire to remain in power.

Invading Australia would indeed be extremely challenging, large distances, huge ocean approaches, very long supply and logistics lines. Australian air force with F/A-18 Hornets and Super Hornets, F-35s in future, which would have total air superiority in home territory with China's very limited carrier ops.

Australian navy with subs which could do significant damage to any surface force in the area. Then probable support from pacific allies including Japan and the United States. Japan thinks they could take on China alone and win.

Little known is China actually attacked Vietnam in 1979, they lost and retreated with tail between legs. Paper tiger with no real allies...? They only pick on smaller weaker countries like Tibet...

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: JimTSpock

That was 1979, that's a very long time ago, China is not 1979 China anymore, they are strong and wealthy.
A government with incredible wealth, think about that wealth

Invading Australia would be a snap, both country's have long distances to travel, China has control over the largest northern port already, they control it

Not that I think they want Australia, they will head west

originally posted by: bally001

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: paraphi

Stop trying to derail the discussion.

Focus on the topic, not members.

This is not about the US, or NATO. It's about China and Australia.

Australia. and US are both members of NATO.

Aussie isn't a member of NATO.

Apr 7, 2016 - NATO and Australia are currently strengthening relations to address shared security challenges, building on dialogue and cooperation that have been developing since 2005. Australia is one of the top non-NATO troop contributors NATO-led operations in Afghanistan.

While we support NATO we are nowhere near the North Atlantic.

Kind regards,

Bally

Blah blah, your non linked info is from the dragons mouth, NATO website... i.e., Australia is NATO.

NATO

originally posted by: pikestaff

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
a reply to: intrptr

South China sea...

Do they mean the Indian ocean?

The south China sea lays inbetween the Philippean islands and Vietnam, no where near India.

In school here in America, we have never been taught the phrase "south China sea"

Everything from the east coast of Africa to the west coast of Australia is the Indian ocean.. which would include what you're referring to as the "south China sea." Anything g east of that is the Pacific Ocean.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Using a port for commercial use is a bit different to an invasion bro. Any unauthorized ships or in a state of war all approaching ships could be sunk by Hornets or F35s with anti ship missiles or subs. Might be a snap in fantasy land bro. The key is airpower in theatre and this is problematic with regards to Australia.

originally posted by: JimTSpock
a reply to: Raggedyman

Using a port for commercial use is a bit different to an invasion bro. Any unauthorized ships or in a state of war all approaching ships could be sunk by Hornets or F35s with anti ship missiles or subs. Might be a snap in fantasy land bro. The key is airpower in theatre and this is problematic with regards to Australia.

Yes I certainly agree, just trying to reflect the differences between an indochina war in 79 and modern China now.
Very different indeed

I don't think China would ever attack a country they could buy at a cheaper price than fight for
Irrespective, northern Australia is largely unmanned and unarmed, we had trouble stopping boat people for decades

a reply to: bally001

DON'T do IT!

Invading Australia would be a snap, both country's have long distances to travel, China has control over the largest northern port already, they control it

Well theres plenty of open space out bush for them to take residence in..Thats if the crocs,sharks,snakes,spiders,monster roos,wombats,emus,ticks and a myriad of other things dont kill them off first...

a reply to: Raggedyman

Our foreign minister with her puffed up chest a stupid budgerigar deputy dog to Uncle Sam needs to shut up.

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: Raggedyman

Our foreign minister with her puffed up chest a stupid budgerigar deputy dog to Uncle Sam needs to shut up.

I agree, I dont want to upset the Chinese

She has been upsetting them is my point, its not like the South China Sea is our direct concern

My point being that Australia and Julie have made noises, troubleshooter seems to have not noticed

www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: Raggedyman

What about a co-ordinated action by Iran ,China and North Korea?
Note Russia's absence from above ,they'll go with the winner.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Raggedyman

What about a co-ordinated action by Iran ,China and North Korea?
Note Russia's absence from above ,they'll go with the winner.

Australia should stand by her allies in a conflict, not start a conflict