a reply to: truthseekr
The crucial thing about your approach here, is that it ignores the fact that it is perfectly possible to be friendly with other nations, without
nation building. The fact that America seems incapable, no matter which party is in power, no matter which ideology APPEARS to be in control, of
leaving people elsewhere alone when they are not actually responsible for a slight against, leave alone posing a genuine threat to the existence of
America, suggests that the issue is rather deeper than membership of the UN.
And, let's be absolutely clear here, the UN have not been complicit in Americas every action on the world stage, far from it. In fact, there was
quite an awful lot of rather serious bother about that over the Iraq invasion as I recall.
What needs to happen, is that the western world needs to stop making profit from war, and from other countries and their labour forces, and start
making money off its own resources instead. It's not as if states in the west could not do a much better job of that, and it certainly is not as if
the best solution to running out of resources, or paying more for them than we would like, is to blow some other poor git off the map. Take drugs for
example, the legal ones that your hospitals and pharmacies dispense to the people. It is fair to say that these drugs, even very simple compounds,
cost WAY more than they need to in order that the chemists, and production line staff, and distribution staff, and so on, get paid for their efforts
in bringing those things to market.
The cost is not in the raw material, or even legitimately in the research and development. The cost is in boardrooms, in the intangible and largely
irrelevant persons who do the work that did not need doing. The shuffling of paper, the very important people who justify artificially inflating the
prices of these items... That is where the cost of resources really comes from in most cases.
So the issue really is, when will the west continue its healthy friendships with the worlds other nations and blocs, without engaging in what amounts
to robbing others, because it's own institutions and companies cannot be trusted to be fair about the prices asked for various items, many of which
are absolutely necessary for life for people in the countries effected? After all, if a family behaved this way, then it would rightly get crapped
Go to work? Nope, my son just stole our gas money, so I need to go and rob a liquor store to cover the cost!
You see how idiotic and self consuming that is? It's the same thing but on a much larger scale.
As for ATS:
The UFO forum has died a death lately, but that has more to do with trends that effected it when it was one of the busiest forums going on this site,
than it does with what is happening now, or even the influx of new, politically focused members.
The simple fact of the matter is this. The only threads I ever saw in the UFO forum, could be broken down into one of several categories.
1) New thread, old incident or incidents, no new data.
2) New thread, with new data about old incidents.
3) Textually recounted sightings, often unsubstantiated by any supporting data, and with defensive and aggravated OP.
4) Textually recounted sightings, supported by other data, but explained by celestial events.
5) One thousand variations on the theme of "a giant bastard of a hoax", of varying degrees of quality.
6) The pixelated, but otherwise entirely earthly object thread.
7) Thousands of threads about someone being an alien, hybrid, or having knowledge of the intricate workings of the political structure of the
At no time that I can recall, was a decent, modern, and utterly unexplainable event recorded there. Even the Phoenix Lights were old hat by the time I
joined, and it was one of the most discussed subjects for a while. Now, do not mistake my impatience with that as an inability to engage with
historical data. What I am trying to get across, is that even when I first joined, although I was gobbling up all the data I could at the time in
absolute fascination and noob like joy on the subject of UFO, there came a point where there was only so much a new thread could do on a given topic,
other than to bump it essentially, which is fine, but it served little other purpose.
When you consider that there are really only so many times that one mind can read the same data in a different format, before loosing the will to
switch on in the morning, I think that between the CONSTANT hoaxing and the repetitive nature of the informational threads, combined with the changing
face of conspiracy in the wider world, the slow down in the UFO forum was inevitable. It's sad, because I for one believe that life on other worlds is
something which does exist, but that we have yet to discover for certain. I would love for the UFO and Aliens forum to be active when that effort
finally reaches its pinnacle, but if there is no new data worth a damn, and all anyone has to offer is some passable science fiction, then things will
not improve in that forum much in the meantime.