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Two Teams of Astrophysicists Postulate Inclination of the Solar System Could be Caused by Planet 9

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posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 09:39 PM
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Two teams of astrophysicists have recently postulated and agreed that another planet 5-20 times the size of Earth and an approximate perihelion distance of ~250 AU (distant Kuiper Belt orbit) could be the reason why the Solar System has an inclination relative to the solar equator.




Astrophysics > Earth and Planetary Astrophysics
The inclination of the planetary system relative to the solar equator may be explained by the presence of Planet 9
Rodney Gomes, Rogerio Deienno, Alessandro Morbidelli
(Submitted on 18 Jul 2016)

We evaluate the effects of a distant planet, commonly known as planet 9, on the dynamics of the giant planets of the Solar System. We find that, given the large distance of planet 9, the dynamics of the inner giant planets can be decomposed into a classic Lagrange-Laplace dynamics relative to their own invariant plane (the plane orthogonal to their total angular momentum vector) and a slow precession of said plane relative to the total angular momentum vector of the Solar System, including planet 9. Under some specific configurations for planet 9, this precession can explain the current tilt of approximately 6 degrees between the invariant plane of the giant planets and the solar equator. An analytical model is developed to map the evolution of the inclination of the inner giant planets' invariant plane as a function of the planet 9's mass, inclination, eccentricity and semimajor axis, and some numerical simulations of the equations of motion of the giant planets and planet 9 are performed to validate our analytical approach. The longitude of the ascending node of planet 9 is found to be linked to the longitude of the ascending node of the giant planets' invariant plane, which also constrain the longitude of the node of planet 9 on the ecliptic. Some of the planet 9 configurations that allow explaining the current solar tilt are compatible with those proposed to explain the orbital confinement of the most distant Kuiper belt objects. Thus, this work on the one hand gives an elegant explanation for the current tilt between the invariant plane of the inner giant planets and the solar equator and, on the other hand, adds new constraints to the orbital elements of planet 9.

Comments: manuscript #: AAS01708, submitted on July 12, 2016
Subjects: Earth and Planetary Astrophysics (astro-ph.EP)
Cite as: arXiv:1607.05111 [astro-ph.EP]
(or arXiv:1607.05111v1 [astro-ph.EP] for this version)
Submission history
From: Alessandro Morbidelli [view email]
[v1] Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:57:19 GMT (195kb)

arxiv.org...



Astrophysics > Earth and Planetary Astrophysics
Solar Obliquity Induced by Planet Nine
Elizabeth Bailey, Konstantin Batygin, Michael E. Brown
(Submitted on 14 Jul 2016 (v1), last revised 20 Jul 2016 (this version, v2))

The six-degree obliquity of the sun suggests that either an asymmetry was present in the solar system's formation environment, or an external torque has misaligned the angular momentum vectors of the sun and the planets. However, the exact origin of this obliquity remains an open question. Batygin & Brown (2016) have recently shown that the physical alignment of distant Kuiper Belt orbits can be explained by a 5-20 Earth-mass planet on a distant, eccentric, and inclined orbit, with an approximate perihelion distance of ~250 AU. Using an analytic model for secular interactions between Planet Nine and the remaining giant planets, here we show that a planet with similar parameters can naturally generate the observed obliquity as well as the specific pole position of the sun's spin axis, from a nearly aligned initial state. Thus, Planet Nine offers a testable explanation for the otherwise mysterious spin-orbit misalignment of the solar system.

Comments: 8 pages, 4 figures, manuscript #: AAS01477, submitted on June 24, 2016
Subjects: Earth and Planetary Astrophysics (astro-ph.EP)
Cite as: arXiv:1607.03963 [astro-ph.EP]
(or arXiv:1607.03963v2 [astro-ph.EP] for this version)
Submission history
From: Elizabeth Bailey [view email]
[v1] Thu, 14 Jul 2016 00:03:28 GMT (5282kb,D)
[v2] Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:21:27 GMT (5238kb,D)

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Will we ever find visual confirmation of this distant planet? Only time will tell.

Theoretical orbit of planet 9.


Hints that ‘Planet Nine’ may exist on edge of our solar system

Related links:

Scientific Research on Solar System Brown Dwarf and Planet X.

More evidence for Planet Nine as odd celestial alignment emerges




edit on 22-7-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: add links and excerpts.




posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yeah well I postulate that the cause is entirely different:

We, our solar system, are in the outer arm of some galaxy, hurtling through space at 36,000 miles an hour, surrounded by other galaxies whipping around us at 48,000 miles per hour, with dark matter in between distorting and convulsing, throwing comets and asteroids in every direction, while being magnetically charged, which in turn causes everything to become a dance of inconsistencies compounded by certainty.



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: forthelove

Actually, it's closer to 1.2 million MPH all things considered.



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: forthelove

So, you are a scientist who can deny with evidence what these astrophysicists think could be the cause of the solar inclination and the inclination of Kuiper belt objects?...

If the inclination of our solar system was caused by different objects we wouldn't be seeing order. It would only be total chaos instead of similar inclinations.

ETNOS have an argument of perihelion close to 0 which is not being caused by the Sun, nor by Jupiter nor Neptune and only a yet not seen massive planet bigger than Earth could very well be the cause. All current information points to such a large planet existing within the Solar System is likely. Yet such a planet at that distance would also need a substellar object within the Solar System to keep it in it's orbit, it can't just be a rogue substellar object because then ETNOS would not be able to maintain their argument of perihelion close to 0.



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 10:33 PM
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"Postulate" is the wrong word. They hypothesise.

A postulate is something like saying that two parallel lines never cross, aka the truth that doesn't require proof.



posted on Jul, 23 2016 @ 03:42 AM
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[edited for double posts]
edit on 23-7-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 23 2016 @ 03:52 AM
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a reply to: wildespace
Hummm...


postulate play
verb pos·tu·late ˈpäs-chə-ˌlāt
Popularity: Top 30% of words
Simple Definition of postulate

: to suggest (something, such as an idea or theory) especially in order to start a discussion

Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

www.merriam-webster.com...

It seems pretty straight forward and easy to understand. Not to mention that your argument would be similar to claiming that wind doesn't exists because we can't see it with our eyes, even though we feel and can measure the effects of wind on objects it affects. With this elusive planet is the same thing. We haven't been able to have a visual confirmation, but it should be obvious it exists because it affects ETNOS TNOs and the entire solar system. But hey, I guess wind does not exist after all is what you are trying to postulate?



posted on Jul, 23 2016 @ 04:27 AM
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I think you mean Planet 10...

"Dear NASA, Your mom thought I was big enough." - Pluto



posted on Jul, 23 2016 @ 05:00 AM
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just adds credibility to Sitchin's work


a reply to: ElectricUniverse



posted on Jul, 23 2016 @ 05:23 AM
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just adds credibility to Sitchin's work


And what work would that be?

And how do you define credibility?



posted on Jul, 23 2016 @ 05:24 AM
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originally posted by: forthelove
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yeah well I postulate that the cause is entirely different:

We, our solar system, are in the outer arm of some galaxy, hurtling through space at 36,000 miles an hour, surrounded by other galaxies whipping around us at 48,000 miles per hour, with dark matter in between distorting and convulsing, throwing comets and asteroids in every direction, while being magnetically charged, which in turn causes everything to become a dance of inconsistencies compounded by certainty.


lol, there's always one...



posted on Jul, 23 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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this thread should be on top. not because the world is in chaos but due to the fact since last two days i am having strong inclination of number nine. It never made any sense to me. Then somehow i wandered to the internet and one word michael brown (shot in usa this month because of ethnicity) whose mother is being called by hillary in convention center and the same name who discovered this planet9. Also obama is stuttering a lot lately. I can see all the signs that something is not right. They give us pointers not mistakenly but it is due to the fact that somehow u r realized person and can see everything clearly. on a sidenote michael brown is the person who cleared the pluto as a planet from our solar system and also coincidentally found this planet9 (yet to be officially announced) which can appear anytime from today onwards. its just the matter of time when the extinction level event of dinosaur will be witnessed by us and we will be the victims this time.
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posted on Jul, 23 2016 @ 02:18 PM
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well for one thing when the idea of a rogue planet disrupting the inner solar system was mentioned people went ballistic with all kinds of "proof" that that was impossible.



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posted on Jul, 23 2016 @ 11:00 PM
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It seems reasonable. I think it was the plant X narrative, or was it the death star narrative, that a planet came flying past earth evey 27 million years causing periods of mass extinction at predictable intervals that made people cry foul? The extinction periods are not spaced in exact intervals.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Wildespace is right. This is an hypothesis for which no evidence appears to exist apart from the axial tilt of the sun vs. the ecliptic. It will only be proven when the planet is found — if it exists. The scientifically interesting news is that the constraints placed on the orbit of this hypothetical planet will make it easer to locate.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 05:08 AM
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a reply to: bottleslingguy

Well because it is impossible, but that didn't actually answer the questions now did it?

So I ask those questions again because Sitchin's work is based off a made up planet from his head as there is no evidence any other planet has beem through our inner solar system for many millions of years...but according to him it is on a 3600 year orbit but there is no physical evidence to back his claim.

That is why anything he said about this silly planet is bogus.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 06:46 AM
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oh but there's a rogue planet out there


a reply to: tsurfer2000h



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: bottleslingguy




oh but there's a rogue planet out there


And exactly what does that have to do with what I asked?

And again there has been no evidence that a planet whether it be a rogue planet, or one that is supposedly on a 3600 year orbit that has been in our inner solar system for millions of years, so again what makes Sitchin's research credible, because this doesn't?



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: Astyanax

There is a lot more evidence than just the axial tilt of the sun vs the ecliptic. In other threads I covered how it seems this massive planet is affecting ETNOS which can't be affected by either Jupiter nor Neptune, nor the sun itself. Something out there is keeping Extreme Trans-Neptunian Objects with an argument of perihelion close to 0 which is shared by all objects we have found out there so far.


Extreme trans-Neptunian objects and the Kozai mechanism:
signalling the presence of trans-Plutonian planets
C. de la Fuente Marcos⋆ and R. de la Fuente Marcos
Universidad Complutense de Madrid, Ciudad Universitaria, E-28040 Madrid, Spain
Accepted 2014 June 3. Received 2014 June 3; in original form 2014 April 23
ABSTRACT

The existence of an outer planet beyond Pluto has been a matter of debate for decades and the
recent discovery of 2012 VP113 has just revived the interest for this controversial topic. This Sedna-like object has the most distant perihelion of any known minor planet and the value of its argument of perihelion is close to 0◦. This property appears to be shared by almost all known asteroids with semimajor axis greater than 150 au and perihelion greater than 30 au (the extreme trans-Neptunian objects or ETNOs), and this fact has been interpreted as evidence for the existence of a super-Earth at 250 au. In this scenario, a population of stable asteroids may be shepherded by a distant, undiscovered planet larger than the Earth that keeps the value of their argument of perihelion librating around 0◦as a result of the Kozai mechanism. Here, we study the visibility of these ETNOs and confirm that the observed excess of objects reaching perihelion near the ascending node cannot be explained in terms of any observational biases.
This excess must be a true feature of this population and its possible origin is explored in the framework of the Kozai effect. The analysis of several possible scenarios strongly suggest that at least two trans-Plutonian planets must exist.

Key words: celestialmechanics – minor planets, asteroids: general – minor planets, asteroids:
individual: 2012 VP113 – planets and satellites: individual: Neptune.

arxiv.org...


Trans-Neptunian objects suggest that there are more dwarf planets in our solar system
Date:
January 15, 2015
Source:
Plataforma SINC
Summary:
There could be at least two unknown dwarf planets hidden well beyond Pluto, whose gravitational influence determines the orbits and strange distribution of objects observed beyond Neptune. This has been revealed by numerical calculations. If confirmed, this hypothesis would revolutionize solar system models. Astronomers have spent decades debating whether some dark trans-Plutonian planet remains to be discovered within the solar system. According to scientists not only one, but at least two planets must exist to explain the orbital behavior of extreme trans-Neptunian objects.

Astronomers have spent decades debating whether some dark trans-Plutonian planet remains to be discovered within the solar system. According to the calculations of scientists at the Complutense University of Madrid (UCM, Spain) and the University of Cambridge (United Kingdom) not only one, but at least two planets must exist to explain the orbital behaviour of extreme trans-Neptunian objects (ETNO).

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Yet what is observed in a dozen of these bodies is quite different: the values of the semi-major axis are very disperse (between 150 AU and 525 AU), the average inclination of their orbit is around 20° and argument of Perihelion -31°, without appearing in any case close to 180°.

"This excess of objects with unexpected orbital parameters makes us believe that some invisible forces are altering the distribution of the orbital elements of the ETNO and we consider that the most probable explanation is that other unknown planets exist beyond Neptune and Pluto," explains Carlos de la Fuente Marcos, scientist at the UCM and co-author of the study. "The exact number is uncertain, given that the data that we have is limited, but our calculations suggest that there are at least two planets, and probably more, within the confines of our solar system," adds the astrophysicist.
...

www.sciencedaily.com...

I even posted the following video and discussed what the astrophysicists were saying in the video.




Scientific Research on Solar System Brown Dwarf and Planet X.



edit on 24-7-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.


edit on 24-7-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 11:01 PM
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There is a lot more evidence

There is not. Just people playing with orbital mechanics.

And what, pray tell, is an ‘etnos’?


edit on 24/7/16 by Astyanax because: of an apparently meaningless acronym.



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