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US TO RUSSIA: We're staying in the Black Sea

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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 04:47 AM
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America playing with Fire. While the middle east burns in chaos following Recent regime changes, America wants to stay in the Black Seas without any Congressional approval.

US TO RUSSIA: We're staying in the Black Sea



The United States will maintain its presence in the Black Sea despite a Russian warning that a U.S. destroyer patrolling there undermined regional security, the U.S. Navy Secretary said.





"We're going to be there," Mabus said of the Black Sea. "We're going to deter. That's the main reason we're there -- to deter potential aggression."






"If a decision is made to create a permanent force, of course, it would be destabilizing, because this is not a NATO sea," Russian news agencies quoted senior Foreign Ministry official Andrei Kelin as saying.


Russia's Ministry official is quite correct, the black seas are not American.




posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 04:48 AM
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Noticed how they used the words "potential aggression"

That only shows how much of BS we are being fed into this by believing that Russia is the aggressor. How long till detering becomes an invasion of Russia?

Sure you can disagree what Russia and Eastern Slavics did in Ukraine was wrong but there is a majority of westerns who do not know the full history of Crimea let alone its past and the Cossack wars.

Ukrainian affairs should not be decided by Europe nor NATO or the Americans but by themselves and Russians.
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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 04:57 AM
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When you say. "Americans have a obligation to defend Israel" a created state as the results of WW2. This can apply the same for eastern Slavic in Crimea and Western Slavic's in Western Ukraine.

Americans and West cant even fix the problems in Libya let alone the middle east so how should we believe that the west can fix the Ukrankian problems?

Europe in the past when Russia and Ukraine existed never intervened into their affairs heavily.
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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:10 AM
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a reply to: Raven95


"If a decision is made to create a permanent force, of course, it would be destabilizing, because this is not a NATO sea,


what utter twaddle - look at a freaking map

1 - turkey = NATO member

2 - turkey has the longest black sea coast of any adjacent country



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:13 AM
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a reply to: Raven95

How's that? Black Sea definetly IS NATO area, there is 3 states: Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria who's are NATO members and can patrol Black Sea basin permanently. US ships add the security, not vice versa.

Article:
United States follows the rules of the Montreux Convention, which states that countries without a Black Sea coastline cannot keep their warships there for more than 21 days.

*****

But russis whining every corner and Russia is real aggressor here. They start wars with Georgia and Ukraine in that region.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:21 AM
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a reply to: SaddledMummy

1.Novorossiysk
2.Crimea

I am not support you would defend NATO.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:22 AM
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a reply to: ignorant_ape





1 - turkey = NATO member 2 - turkey has the longest black sea coast of any adjacent country

The same Turkey nation whom was responsible for shooting down the Russian jet fighter in Syria right? why do you people here defend Turkey so much?



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:23 AM
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a reply to: ignorant_ape


turkey has the longest black sea coast of any adjacent country


Then you might just say that Its part of the Ottoman empire while your still at it.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:24 AM
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a reply to: Raven95

Wanna have a real good laugh?
Here it is:

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who until last September was NATO Secretary General, warned Thursday that Russia was likely to attempt a Ukraine-style provocation in the Baltic states.

I guess it´s because russia expanded since end of the cold war to the coasts of the US, isn´t it?

Russia now touches NATO borders, because it iexpanded so heavily over the last decades...
Everywhere in the world, russian military bases, russian troops, russian three letters agencies listening stations, russian goldman sachs, russian monsanto, dupont, russian destabilisations, russian economic hitmen at work, russian "fast and furious" actions, russians securing the opium fields in afghanistan, russian banksters are to blame for the economic crisis, russia is to blame for the refugee situation...

Oh wait, isn´t someone other to blame for all the above....?

So the NATO, expanding to the russian borders, tells us that we have to be afraid of the russians, because they expand too much, and too aggressively? Are they gathering troops in south america, mexico, cuba, to surround the US of A?

And why, if russia is the worst enemy of the USA, why do we europeans have to sanction russia, making losses to our own by that, while the USA raised it´s transactions with russia at the same time???



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:24 AM
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a reply to: SaddledMummy



But russis whining every corner and Russia is real aggressor here. They start wars with Georgia and Ukraine in that region.

Real now Russia is an aggressor based on what? because of Georgia and Ukraine? thats none of American business nor NATO business.

Are you suggesting that Georgians and its military should just massacred the people in Facebook
South Ossetia?



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:26 AM
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a reply to: SaddledMummy

Funny you also claim that russis is whining every corner. Yet at the same NATO ruined Libya and NATO's success story is about to free fall Again. You might as well just blame Russia and Putin for the migrant crisis to then.
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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:32 AM
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All i have to say is, good luck with that Obama and Friends.

Poking and Prodding Nations to do as you say, is no less than Bullying. They've done it so many times it's beginning to sound like the updated Version of 'The Boy who cried Wolf.

Soon, nothing will be left save, the dust of our past Ideals.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:35 AM
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a reply to: awareness10

Libya's GNA the main force that is fighting ISIS in Libya is about to Free Fall. As GNA are lacking of the most basic services.


The chaos in Libya brought you and by the same crew who wants you to believe that Russia is the aggressor



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:40 AM
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Ha, next step.

Stoltenberg gave an interview to the Springer-Presse, the BILD newspaper(research their past in conjuction with the USA, CIA).

I found a RT article in english on the rapid(so we have both propaganda sides):

Severe cyber-attack could be a case for NATO action – Stoltenberg

Future:
Cyber attack, done by neighbours little ten years old, authistic son, results in world war III.
Because it was the russians, whoelse on earth could start a cyber attack to the NATO/US...

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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:44 AM
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a reply to: DerBeobachter

Both sides do propaganda. As for the cyber attacks, you can hire hackers over the black market they do ask for huge price.

I am not defending any sides however. NATO has screwed Libya more over then Russia.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:47 AM
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a reply to: Raven95

NATO can conduct exercises with NATO members who border the Black Sea.

If Russia keeps the bs up Turkey can close the straits to Russian vessels.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:51 AM
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a reply to: Raven95

I'm glad someone can see what i see! Thankyou. Russia is not the agressor here, and i'm amazed so many people, intelligent people here think otherwise. It's mind boggling to say the least, that some people cannot see past their Programming.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:52 AM
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This is how England took over the world, one country at a time. Now the US and Europe mixed with Islamic Nations are trying to do the very same thing?

Can You Say, History Repeats Itself Children?




posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:53 AM
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originally posted by: awareness10
..... that some people cannot see past their Programming.


That is a 2 way road.

Secondly why do you and others ignore the fact Russia does not own the black sea? Russia has stated many times other nations can do as they please. Does that not hold for the 3 NATO members in the Black Sea?

Is their national security concerns somehow less than the security concerns of Russia?
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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:54 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

NO just NO - turkey cannot just " close the straits to russian vessels " [ without a declaration of war ]



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