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Though I may be misunderstanding, it seems to me you are saying morality is relative, not absolute, and that each generation gets to define what morality is to them. But I remain confused. On the one hand I don't believe there is any morality without "us" to define it. In the Earth's natural state, there is no morality any more than there are any "rights." People define them.
originally posted by: schuyler
originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: schuyler
It does not matter who defined moral, its the same either way but perhaps you should empower yourself to make that decision.
Its not coincidental that you think that someone other than your self has the right to make this decision in your mind. This is what the ptb have done to you and millions of others in this world today, DISempowered you through the making of politician made law that says to do this , dont do do that or else !! and so you begin to think wwweeeeeeelll thats the law int it, spose I have to do as they say.
I don't pretend to un derstand why you reached those conclusions, especially that assuming I think that "someone other than [my]self has the right to make this decision." I'm trying to get people like you to define just what morality is, and all I get are vague ideas like "objective morality" which remains undefined. Without people thinking it up, there is no morality at all. Is a tiger moral? No, it just does what tigers do. In fact, nature, without humans, is "red in tooth and claw" (William Blake), a pretty nasty place in terms of equal rights for herbivores.
When you look at what people have done prior in this situation, you get stuff like this, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them, life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
Now why would they invoke a "Creator"? It wasn't because of religion. It was to say that there is something bigger than humans simply defining morality for everyone else. They invoked a 'higher power' specifically to get humans out of the equation. THAT is the purpose of the phrase.
And all we get here is this idea that "morality," or rather, immorality, can be defined as "anything that interferes with a 'natural state." But the "natural state" of humanity can hardly be defined as civilized. And once you get there you begin to see what morality may be. It does not exist until you have relationships BETWEEN other people. In other words, "morality" is the code that defines relationships; it is otherwise meaningless. So I completely reject the idea of an "objective morality."
There is no such thing.