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intrptr:'Dreaming' or unconscious states remain subjective. I prefer to let dreams 'go where they take me', only intervening if I can't handle it, like waking up for instance.Imposing my will or desire on my dream states is like directing a class instead of listening to the teacher, imo. So I don't try and impose unless I need to.
For you the subjective remains unclear;
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: vethumanbeing
I didn't begin posting in this thread with a request to be shown how to do this, I began with a request for others that claim they do to show specifically how they accomplish it, so others can get the nitty gritty of methodology, not just generalizations.
You want the method is all; how to do this easily (a short cut to enlightenment)?
vhb: You want the method is all; how to do this easily (a short cut to enlightenment)?
intrptr: No I don't want a 'method'. I was interested in what others claim. I could tell you specifics of how to behave towards others, everyone knows what 'manners' are, or how to specifically meditate, so many have their own ideas about that. My version of enlightenment is somewhat simpler. In it I am given to know what the right thing to do is in the moment. I see the truth of things as situations come up. Sometimes right away, others it 'comes to me'. This is a gift, like a light at night showing the ground at your feet while you walk.
intrptr: No such thing as 'shortcuts'… and most importantly the source of this is outside, a 'given', if that makes sense.
intrptr: As pertains to the thread, haying OBE's is not that important… for me.
You are attempting living in the "NOW".
You are not a time traveler to other worlds of experience YET (its a bunch of fun).