Originally posted by gps777
This is as close as i can find to sum up that Christ is not Lucifer for you,you cannot be a True Christian and a Mason sorry to say
www.blessedquietness.com...
Vulgate
Isa 14:12 quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes
KJV
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Lucifer in Old Testament is Strongs number
H1966
הילל
hêylêl
hay-lale'
From H1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning star: - lucifer. (being that Strongs is saying lucifer is the meaning of this word, and lucifer
is latin for another term, what does lucifer mean in english? Lucifer is a combination of latin words: lux, lucis, meaning light, and fero, meaning to
bring. And accordong to the orginal greek and hebrew, lucifer is used in place of halale, and phosphorus, which have been defined as morning star and
day star.)
Acccording to John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
Isa 14:12 - How art thou fallen from heaven,.... This is not to be understood of the fall of Satan, and the apostate angels, from their first estate,
when they were cast down from heaven to hell, though there may be an allusion to it; see Luk_10:18 but the words are a continuation of the speech of
the dead to the king of Babylon, wondering at it, as a thing almost incredible, that he who seemed to be so established on the throne of his kingdom,
which was his heaven, that he should be deposed or fall from it. So the destruction of the Roman Pagan emperors is signified by the casting out of the
dragon and his angels from heaven, Rev_12:7 and in like manner Rome Papal, or the Romish antichrist, will fall from his heaven of outward splendour
and happiness, of honour and authority, now, possessed by him:
O Lucifer, son of the morning! alluding to the star Venus, which is the phosphorus or morning star, which ushers in the light of the morning, and
shows that day is at hand;
by which is meant, not Satan, who is never in Scripture called Lucifer, though he was once an angel of light, and
sometimes transforms himself into one, and the good angels are called morning stars, Job_38:7 and such he and his angels once were; but the king of
Babylon is intended, whose royal glory and majesty, as outshining all the rest of the kings of the earth, is expressed by those names; and which
perhaps were such as he took himself, or were given him by his courtiers. The Targum is,
"how art thou fallen from on high, who was shining among the sons of men, as the star Venus among the stars.''
Jarchi, as the Talmud (c), applies it to Nebuchadnezzar; though, if any particular person is pointed at, Belshazzar is rather designed, the last of
the kings of Babylon. The church of Rome, in the times of the apostles, was famous for its light and knowledge; its faith was spoken of throughout all
the earth; and its bishops or pastors were bright stars, in the morning of the Gospel dispensation
from Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
Isa 14:12 -
O Lucifer, son of the morning - The Versions in general agree in this translation, and render הילל heilel as signifying
Lucifer, Φωσφωρος, the morning star, whether Jupiter or Venus; as these are both bringers of the morning
light, or morning stars, annually in their turn. And although the context speaks explicitly concerning Nebuchadnezzar,
yet this has been, I know
not why, applied to the chief of the fallen angels, who is most incongruously denominated Lucifer, (the bringer of light!) an epithet as common to
him as those of Satan and Devil. That the Holy Spirit by his prophets should call this arch-enemy of God and man the light-bringer, would be
strange indeed. But the truth is, the text
speaks nothing at all concerning Satan nor his fall, nor the occasion of that fall, which
many divines have with great confidence deduced from this text. O how necessary it is to understand the literal meaning of Scripture, that
preposterous comments may be prevented! Besides, I doubt much whether our translation be correct. הילל heilel, which we
translate Lucifer, comes from ילל yalal, yell, howl, or shriek, and should be translated, “Howl, son of the morning;” and so the
Syriac has understood it; and for this meaning Michaelis contends: see his reasons in Parkhurst, under הלל halal.
and from Keil and Delitzch Commentary on the Old Testament
Lucifer, as a name given to the devil, was derived from this passage, which the fathers (and lately Stier) interpreted,
without any warrant
whatever, as relating to the apostasy and punishment of the angelic leaders. The appellation is a perfectly appropriate one for the king of Babel,
on account of the early date of the Babylonian culture, which reached back as far as the grey twilight of primeval times, and also because of its
predominant astrological character
And finally another link you might like...
www.cresourcei.org...
Here's a quote form the link that you posted.
Any alleged scholar, or any alleged saint, who KNOWS the facts here stated, and still attributes the "Morning Star" title to both Jesus
Christ AND Satan-- Mark it down-- That person is a committed willful blasphemer and is damned to hell. I don't care whose name you bring up... If
they filthy Jesus Christ in this way, there is no hope for them, and the sides of the Pit is their eternal and worthy destination. To hell with
them.
I am not saying that Morning Star is to be applied to Jesus and Satan because lucifer (morning star in latin if you forgot) IS NOT SATAN!!!
Don't just read your Bible, Study it!!!
[edit on 1/7/2005 by cotwom]
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