Only Truth will unfold

originally posted by: CoBaZ
originally posted by: Fingle

CoBaZ: Careful with the questions, you may get answers you do not really want... how much of this feels true to you...
1.) Because how better to control a Sentient Super weapon then to keep it busy chasing its self.
2.) Mass x force hehehehe...
3.) We are wanting to be pointed somewhere and the trigger pulled, but there is no one holding the gun anymore.
4.) Think if we knew we were designed to be non-stop killing machines of meat, would we not turn on our own creators, or maybe we did.
5.) A Biological Super weapon the Ultimate Shock Troops, were Fast Breeding and Live for War.
6.) What is left of the Universe could not bear the idea of Genocide of a Sentient civilization, so we got locked down here.
7.) 42 now ask the right question...
8.) Ask Bees Termites Lions spiders and Ants about that one you will have your answer.
9.) Bout the same as a couple billion guided Nukes... We just do not have a true Target anymore, so we target ourselves.
10.) There is a reason Tower of Babel fell, the Challenger Blew up and Apollo 13 happened, We were not meant to get off this rock.
11.) We are led to Believe so, makes you wonder does it not.
12.) To keep us Busy and Entertained. And to keep our eyes down here.
13.) Love is a Programmed biological response that keeps us breeding like a virus, Compassion In small clusters we have that, as a race we do not have it, Truth trust me we do not want it it would drive us insane look at what a little bit of truth does to this site for a prime example ROFL, understanding fear the day the Human race gets that, we will get Bored really Quick... Bored Biological weapons are a very bad thing.
14.) Trust me you don't want balance, humans get bored in balance too easy and we start really Doing Destructive things like taking over the Universe. Why? Just because we can.
15.) Keep humans off guard and they will never catch on they are leftovers of the weapon that almost annihilated the Universe.

Of Coarse it all could be Total BS
Something to chew on while enjoying a

Bored biological weapons mean those that have passed expiration dates.
Humans off guard are those experiencing equilibrium problems.
Keep the eyes and fingers of the human manipulating a smaller and still smaller keypad.
Sentient super weapon is already too distracted to be of any harm.
Human cannot take over the Universe because the Universe is in charge.
Not sure meat is murder (those beasts know they are fodder as domesticated livestock and have a job to do).
Guided nukes (60's style cold ware) are an abstract and never will be used except to allow young missileers to make pay.
'42' is Helen Mirren (an actress that is paid to say others scripted words).
We are not on lock down here, this is not a prison planet.
The Bees would like us to not use certain genetically altered hybrids as kills off their colonies.
Humans should demand spiritual/psychological balance between themselves; because the Earth does not speak a language; just reacts with brute bodily force.

Indeed:

"Humans should demand spiritual/psychological balance between themselves; because the Earth does not speak a language; just reacts with brute bodily force."

The division amongst men/women is as strong as is the age of disillusion that is ongoing, cast amongst us, for an agenda unknown, it ,in itself, is evident in the current pattern of posturing that is yet to reveal its significance,
that I can only highlight in the truth that I understand in my current restoration
there is an air of importance in what you say that is more important than is realised by the truth laced within it

i can bareley comprehend the intended meaning of the babbling woo of your op, so i'm just going to focus on the sort of understandable questions..

originally posted by: Fingle
1) Have we been left a very long way from real reality for a reason?

we have not been "left a very long way from reality". we exist in and as a part of reality.

2) Are we the theory of everything in motion for a reason?

we are not a "theory of everything in motion", whatever that means. we are members of a species living on earth. a theory of everything incorporates everything, not just one species.

3) Are we purely manipulated for a reason felt but unknown?

manipulated by what? each other? to what end? what form does this proposed manipulation take?

4) Why is our real origin never thought upon as an idea?

it is, constantly. there are a few realistic theories, backed by observable evidence, which explain our origin as a species.

5) What are we?

we are homo-sapiens. a unique species of mammal with unique charactistics such as the capability of abstract thought, etc.

6) Why are we?

that is up to the individual. the "why" of our existence is provided by ourselves, nothing else.

7) Is numeric an answer to our reality?

what? you mean, are numbers a reason for reality? no, they are not, they are an inherent language of reality.

8) Why is feminine a key

what? a key to what? reproduction? i think possibly men are the key and women the lock in that respect (giggity).

9) What mass population energy do we release as slaves?

what is "mass population energy"? it is not a scientific definition of energy, what do you mean? how are you and i or anyone else, slaves? slaves to whom or what exactly?

10) Can we release ourselves as one?

release ourselves from what?

11) Are we only one?

as a species, we are 7 billion and counting.. what do you mean?

12) What is the purpose of Government?

to govern, obviously.

13) Love compassion Truth and Understanding (when for all)

huh?

14) How can we balance all?

balance all of what? what do you mean?

15) Why the dogma of indifference?

this is an oxymoron. indifference is anti-dogmatic by definition.

WELL ATS CAN WE BEGIN THE REAL BALANCE OF REALITY TRUTH ALL WELCOME ?

reality is balanced. what are you trying to say with these unpunctuated rambles?

a reply to: spygeek
You are refining the OP's statement; and so by doing allow others to participate in the dialog (opened it up). I have nothing further to contribute now, a now in the future most likely will happen.

originally posted by: Fingle

vhb: "Humans should demand spiritual/psychological balance between themselves; because the Earth does not speak a language; just reacts with brute bodily force."

Fingle: Indeed: The division amongst men/women is as strong as is the age of disillusion that is ongoing, cast amongst us, for an agenda unknown, it ,in itself, is evident in the current pattern of posturing that is yet to reveal its significance,
that I can only highlight in the truth that I understand in my current restoration there is an air of importance in what you say that is more important than is realised by the truth laced within it

You may have spoken of this before; what was the significant event that caused your 'restoration' or revelation?

originally posted by: Fingle

Fingle: What form of consciousness began to unfold in the 1960s (that was repressed)?
Why is it that Man (manipulated) (always seeks war) as the answer to disagreement’s?
What really does Communism mean (before the 1840s)

The expansion of the mind 'consciousness' by use of hallucinagenic drugs (forget Krishna or Buddha).
Why Man wars against each other? Because they can. Remember Edwin Star the song "War what is it good for, absolutely nothing; say it say it again, its only friend to the undertaker".
Communism before the 1840's was based upon communal living. It became politicized later. The Essenes were a communal society.

1) Have we been left a very long way from real reality for a reason?a reply to: spygeek

I can bareley comprehend the intended meaning of the babbling woo of your op, so i'm just going to focus on the sort of understandable questions..

originally posted by: Fingle
1) Have we been left a very long way from real reality for a reason?
we have not been "left a very long way from reality". we exist in and as a part of reality.

1) reply: by Fingle The question in my foolish excessive to win over babbling woo as you kindly put it was "left a very long way from real reality". Was this a comprehension error leaving out a word or like a tabloid reporting style adopted? When quoting people its seems this happens a lot to leave out bits Mmm that don’t fit so you have just switched a real reality by losing a part of what was reality into redefining it for your own interpretation and comment on that point and in doing so changed my reality of what was a reality documented so it is evident that we are far from the real reality, so is there a reason for this?
So if it’s so easy to misquote a word then for a victor it would be quite easy to let’s say miss out a huge chunk of actual historic reality/fact in your defence it’s not just you we have all done this for a very long time

2) Are we the theory of everything in motion for a reason?
we are not a "theory of everything in motion", whatever that means. we are members of a species living on earth. a theory of everything incorporates everything, not just one species.

2) reply: by Fingle Aristotle newton and quantum theory have all tried to explain this theory but maybe it has to be thought to be? An incredible metamorphism that is around 3.7 billion years’ old

3) Are we purely manipulated for a reason felt but unknown?
manipulated by what? each other? to what end? what form does this proposed manipulation take?

3) reply:by Fingle
www.energygrid.com...

4) Why is our real origin never thought upon as an idea?
it is, constantly. there are a few realistic theories, backed by observable evidence, which explain our origin as a species.

4) reply: by Fingle The only essence of our species is to think, but never our real origin, thought upon the essence of our species is the understanding of origin

5) What are we?
we are homo-sapiens. a unique species of mammal with unique charactistics such as the capability of abstract thought, etc

5)reply: by Fingle Thought upon the essence of our species is the understanding of origin

6) Why are we?
that is up to the individual. the "why" of our existence is provided by ourselves, nothing else.

6)reply: by Fingle Albert Einstein: "A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.

hubpages.com...

7) Is numeric an answer to our reality?
what? you mean, are numbers a reason for reality? no, they are not, they are an inherent language of reality.

7)reply: by Fingle 7 days in a constant mass consumption of a lot of stuff/including perceptions interpretations ideas ect then adds up to nothing? exactly?

8) Why is feminine a key
what? a key to what? reproduction? i think possibly men are the key and women the lock in that respect (giggity).

8)reply: by Fingle The dictation of emotion between the sexes is established through the feminine aspect of both the male and female so the feminine really is the key to unravel

9) What mass population energy do we release as slaves?

what is "mass population energy"? it is not a scientific definition of energy, what do you mean? how are you and I or anyone else, slaves? slaves to whom or what exactly?

9)reply: by Fingle In all thought is energy as a mass is distributed thought word and deed consciousness

" Thoughts originate in consciousness, and consciousness is what we are - not "my" consciousness and "your" consciousness, but just Consciousness, or Source, or the One, giving rise to all thoughts in all people. Consciousness giving rise to all sensations, all thoughts. So that, in other words, we are not entities which somehow generate consciousness, but in fact Consciousness is that Source that gives rise to the entities we appear to be. Or to put it another way, we are not in the world, but the world is in us - that is, the world (sensations, thoughts) arises in That which we are, the indefinable Source from which all apparent manifestation continuously and miraculously springs into being"
Actually it does and I knew in the end we would realize we are talking to our self.

As to the original question, "does a thought have mass", again from my point of view. I would equate mass with material objects. So I would say no, but if the question was does a thought have energy, I would say it is energy and as such it has potential.
Have you ever wondered, what was a thought before language,
We use language to communicate with each other, but it is also the foundation of our inner dialogue where the interpretation of thought takes place . So what was the inner dialogue, before the so called invention of language.

scienceandnonduality.com...

10) Can we release ourselves as one?
release ourselves from what?

10)reply: by Fingle Illusion

11) Are we only one?
as a species, we are 7 billion and counting.. what do you mean?

11)reply: by Fingle One part of a continual number

12) What is the purpose of Government?
to govern, obviously.

12)reply: by FingleTo govern choice? By manipulation weapons of mass destruction ?

13) Love compassion Truth and Understanding (when for all)
huh?

13)reply: by Fingle Love compassion Truth and Understanding (when for all) or just a continual number pattern

14) How can we balance all?
balance all of what? what do you mean?

14) reply: by Fingle Love compassion Truth and Understanding (when for all) or just a continual number pattern

15) Why the dogma of indifference?
this is an oxymoron. indifference is anti-dogmatic by definition.

15) reply: by Fingle Can we not start to believe that indifference is the old way the illusionary way and have real concern and interest in all our species (love compassion truth and understanding)

16) WELL ATS CAN WE BEGIN THE REAL BALANCE OF REALITY TRUTH ALL WELCOME?
reality is balanced. what are you trying to say with these unpunctuated rambles?

16)reply: by Fingle Reality is not balanced if it was we would not be having this discussion sorry for the unpunctual rambles-

WELL ATS CAN WE BEGIN THE REAL BALANCE OF REALITY TRUTH ALL WELCOME?

The Understanding is the truth, through compassion, compassion is acceptance, love is the way to our truth

Love, Compassion, Truth, Understanding

Peace

a reply to: Fingle

In this thread, I am only trying to understand- as much as the truth as can be formulated, by like-minded people, I am not asking that everyone, should necessarily agree, but help is needed, to break down the veils.

So if your choice is to play the dogma of comprehension or other manipulation fair enough troll if that’s your whim,but to formulate and make real analysis is the goal as a common benefit for us all..........

Your help is needed to Understand ATS

a reply to: Fingle

This is very close fundamental structure of the universe........................

Heaven existed before humanity came around... Angels & assorted 'spirits' were the first to create the place that came about by the hopes & aspirations of a body of entities, a collective creation of like minded wills (icomposed of a Quantum energy field)


Heaven is now available to humans because humanity has reached a collective level of consciousness..
and can enter the etheral domain of Sanctuary known as the kingdom of heaven


it is not a physical place it is a mental creation much as are the emotions of Love, empathy, intimate caring...
conversely Hell is the psyche darkness caused by hate, murderous intention, thieving/lying and such...
a person or alien entity can choose to bond with the collective creations called heaven or Hell that exist in the Quantum dimension, using will/thought/intentional compassion for others. etc etc as the portals to this 'state' of after-life


i would ask if you read the SQ link about NDEs & Souls being released into the Universe ?

www.dailymail.co.uk...


Near-death experiences occur when the soul leaves the nervous system and enters the universe, claim two quantum physics experts

Ground-breaking theory holds that quantum substances form the soul
They are part of the fundamental structure of the universe


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...



see how heaven can be a Quantum state just as the Soul is theorized to be...by these two scientists

interesting stuff




edit on 4-11-2012 by St Udio because: ??







here's a thought... or a continuation of the premise i speak of/...


there might very well be a etheric place besides Heaven or Hell... as those were the two constructions were the commonly defined polarities in the human condition for the last +6,000 years of history


with both population increase and the advent of a few information sharing technologies
there very well now have been created by the sheer will & intention of a large community of thinking/conscious minds 2 other spheres of after-life...

i speak of a sanctuary where PORN addicts enjoy eternity after their Earthly demise
And another sphere that harbors all the friggin' drug heads that are stoned into a Zombie Like existance after their mortal death


so now we might have 'souls' congregating into 4 different realms after-death..

Heaven
Hell
Zombieland
Porn-a-topia


what you think?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Fingle
a reply to: Fingle

In this thread, I am only trying to understand- as much as the truth as can be formulated, by like-minded people, I am not asking that everyone, should necessarily agree, but help is needed, to break down the veils.
So if your choice is to play the dogma of comprehension or other manipulation fair enough troll if that’s your whim,but to formulate and make real analysis is the goal as a common benefit for us all..........
Your help is needed to Understand ATS

I understand your frustration (so many great minds here) 'you can drive/lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink'.

a reply to: Fingle

Although there is comprehension errors, they are not that indicative of a persons intellect or knowledge so I will not focus on that but rather try answering the questions that have been asked. We are all part of the same universe and share the same energy so we have a duty to pass on good information to each other and refrain from giving in to the ego that tells you 'you are better than him/her because of x y z'

So..........


1) Have we been left a very long way from real reality for a reason?
What is reality nowadays? The WMD's in Iraq? The USA offensive against ISIS? The 'benefits' of fluoride? The meaning of the word 'Ground Zero'? These are all examples of our 'reality' today. It is no more than keeping the status quo by delivering incorrect 'facts'. The reality of religions, belief systems, 'isms' are all fabricated to suit an agenda. The real reality is not what we find in the mainstream. So to answer the question: yes we are left a very long way from real reality.

2) Are we the theory of everything in motion for a reason?
We are all energy so are related to every living thing. Therefore by the laws of physics we are all part of the same and therefore are 'the theory of everything' as we all share energy.


3) Are we purely manipulated for a reason felt but unknown?

Very possible. But it is also possible for a visionary individual to 'feel like' they know why we are manipulated. There is no one agenda, but many. (or maybe there is and we are distracted by sideshows like NWO, Banker etc)?? The manipulation of humans is to corrupt the soul as the souls feeds the subconscious and if the key factor of your subconscious is corrupted then your conscious behaviours are inline with the manipulated subconscious via the soul.

4) Why is our real origin never thought upon as an idea?

Who agrees with any one idea? Are we born by the will of a God? Are we made my an alien race? are we simply an accidental by-product of evolution? The real origins are sometimes hard to fathom and comprehend and people are not willing to let their reality go in order to free their mind. A free mind will think outside the box but remain in control of what it accepts.

5) What are we?

Energy....Period!! The movie 'Lucy' shows (correctly in my opinion) that the human being would ultimately disappear if we used 100% of our mind. We would return to our true self - ENERGY!

6) Why are we?

The million dollar question......I guess it depends on the perspective of the individual. Again relates to Q4

7) Is numeric an answer to our reality?

Did you mean are numbers an answer to our reality? - No. Although numbers have a significance in the way the universe works, they do not answer the question of our reality. Our reality can not be deduced by numbers. However we can plan events based on the numeric significance but that doesn't mean that the event will always work out the way you want it.

8) Why is feminine a key

?? Can't say this is worth considering as 'feminine' are the greatest of manipulators. They may have significance in the construct of the universe but are they key??

9) What mass population energy do we release as slaves?

If I understand this correctly then as slaves, we release negative mass population energy as slaves see themselves as being held back, oppressed etc. and they breed negativity (at a subconscious level) even though outwardly they appear happy and content. Slaves will not emit positive energy as their energy fields have been affected by the ones enslaving them and therefore the positivity has been suppressed (not saying it doesn't exist, only that its has retreated to the very back of the mind and deepest depths of the soul)

10) Can we release ourselves as one?

??

11) Are we only one?

One what?
One energy - We are one as energy.
One being - Aliens (IMO) do not exist. However other entities such as 'spirits' or 'demons' do exist

12) What is the purpose of Government?

Fundamentally governments are there to govern. However this has now evolved into a control mechanism of the so called 'elite' used to manipulate people, policies, agenda etc. Much in the same way as the police are fundamentally there to protect the citizens but have evolved to become a protection force for the 'elite' and corporations.

13) Love compassion Truth and Understanding (when for all)

This will come very soon. There are signs everywhere that the prophecies of various religions are at the point of coming true. If the prophecies are made up than unfortunately this will never happen as long as the those who have a hold on the mechanisms of this physical world are still in charge.

14) How can we balance all?

We can balance the positive/negative by remaining conscious of our own behaviour and thoughts. To not let the ego take charge of us. To remain conscious of the fact that WE ARE ALL ONE!

15) Why the dogma of indifference?

A very clever manipulation tool. As long as we focus on our differences we will never be ONE. Why are people fighting against one another in the SAME COMMUNITIES?? because they focus on their differences and forget all that makes them the same. After the Paris attacks the Parisians adopted an anti-Muslim mentality when they forget that Muslims also suffered in the attacks and that the Muslim community is also fighting against the same enemy. TEHY ARE IN TEH SAME BOAT AS THE PARISIANS!!

a reply to: Fingle
Have you listened enough? Do you not trust yourself enough? Have you taken what you need thus far? Have you given too it enough so far?

Answers and Truth are there, right in front of our noses, most likely behind, south and the left slightly. Its a little ridiculous that your OP would be scrutinized like it has been, however the endeavor of the human race affords us such comforts. To be honest wipe the words from your eyes and glaringly there it is......Only Truth will unfold.......Can I ask who this is aimed at? You? Us? Me?

Its a stream of language waiting to be interpreted. That's fine of course nothing wrong with that. I do however beg to differ, as will you and her and they etc. This Truth you speak of; this unfolds everyday, every second!
Yet we are still all none the wiser. It could be something to do with the way we handle the Truth. If we tap into the grand all knowing Truth for the Truth we are most likely taking chunks (It doesn't matter how many bites) and rearranging them to either fit the model that either we have molded to our liking or that of another. We take these bits and de-scramble them into as beautiful as picture as we can creatively imagine. Is that then the Truth? The bit we take out? Or is the Truth the bit that's left? I'm not religious at least not in the traditional sense, we're all grown up here its ok. It seems rather heart warming after all, knowing that there are those that literally put their faith in God - (please feel free to use whatever word suits you, this week I'm using Grand unified chap!) Those putting their faith in the Grand unified chap with no question add to rather than take away. Finally one day those beautiful individuals will give all they have the whole, nothing subtracted. There is an er in this error however but....I dont need to explain that do I?
So then those that subtract; see above, those wonderful fellows, will search and search and most likely search some more. Every time their own fraction adding to the other fractions contributed by other sublime fellows. This cycle forever....never satisfying the whole because there is no marry. Godel got it oh so right when he found the incompleteness theorem. Now there's a Chap, woah here's a guy Truthfully on to something, just like you and me and us etc.

In the deepest recesses of space somewhere is the question I asked, the answer came back but the Truth is still out there.

If the transfer of each moment given is not to explore and bring reason to it, then why give it at all?

But then, that would mean the reason given is adept at demanding an outcome to ferment a thought/interpretation, then, that could mean all that is presented is some form of timeless illusion? but not really an illusion, but rather a fraction of assimilated choices to add weight or belief to it/the event?

So what we aim to be within our containment of choice and reason takes us possibly further from the Truth in each gradual futherment of our goal for truth, certainly Gödel understood this and Jung new this be the case.
A recent thread on ATS definitely identifies this

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So truth as it seems presented is neither or, what it really is the steps towards IT, is always behind it in actuality moving away from IT?

Then if we pause from holding it, to break down and understand, then maybe a step towards it is taken.
Then the energetical absorption is not, to quantify, but be understanding in all forms of Love Compassion Truth and Understanding and become that, that is not, presented as a belief, but to be and correctly not, interpret existence as dictated……………………………………………………………………………..

We all entertain a truth to our self that we are born?

Then over time (whatever that is) we slowly develop an aspect of ourselves through our parents/or peers and eventually we feel the need to amplify ourselves and build on our belief in our beliefs, presenting to our world a belief within, of what we are to ourselves and to show this as we develop into adulthood.

As who we are so our traits are developed into our own sense of being and our traits are cemented in our being, then as we mature our self-beliefs are influenced by each other’s beliefs, that we choose to sit within, further traits deeper beliefs.

Our origin then forgotten in the traits shared of belief, we dance in a continual rhythm or pattern of allegiance to a particular belief that sits/fits within us, the influence of belief then is further moulded by politics religion economics sex to totally for-fill a mass of already confused traits.

Our origin then forgotten, we live and play observe rotate in a cycle of time squared in a triangulation of points birth belief separation/death illusion.

To what or why the constant infinity, the choice of traits, is that it patterns of allegiance a Facebook swap shop of like/dislike of belief the basis of humanity really?

Our origin, the real essence of our becoming
then really is forgotten………………………………………

The truth can be told all one may want to tell as far as what they believe is the truth.

It is the truth that is believed that makes the difference.

Most here is just lies and people wanting to find something to believe in, knowing full well if they simply thought things through to their logical conclusion, it is all bull#.

I believe in gravity, wait!, Earth just sucks.

a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

It is Truth that makes the difference...............

Not sure if earth sucks, but to date we have had a long affair im holding it down, or maybe that gravity thing is holding me down Mmmmmmmm


keep it quite my wife doesn't know

Reconstructing is key, so if belief is the core of the belief, a belief that proclaims through history/fable or truth the existence of Jesus with a degree of factual history possibly re-written was Jesus the way to the light or the greatest deception in the history of humanity?

What proof is there? or is it just the power of belief, the indoctrinated non argument, of interpretation, that provokes the discussion of endless dogma?

Then, is it only an individual acceptance of an interpretation, if that be a religious or energetical approach to our own individual belief system/spirituality that surely has some basis in the evolution of humanity as it is so strongly bonded within us, whatever our own interpretation of, it is……………..

Is the endeavour of our creation the self-neglect of being as our own egotistical advocate of being our interpretation of what we feel that we must envisage to the wider world is actually the neglect, due to our misguided representation of our out-put.

Will. Our becoming be the realisation that religion in whatever guise we evoke it, is only the initial step towards a greater sense to date uncharted as we only perceive the grounded pre steps of our evolution, that in our current climate is in an obvious state of expansion.

The Truth Will….Unfold

a reply to: Fingle

is it the real truth that light is only seen in darkness and that the real truth, can only be found within you.... you can.... its not an easy journey in this life, but it is there for the taking, if your heart is open to the truth, the real truth within,you will unfold the Truth.

a reply to: Fingle
You might start by ridding yourself of any or all belief systems that you have embraced. They are false illusions "dogma by others" (in order to OWN your soul) you must disregard.