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originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People
There is no real chaos, because every system that appears chaotic is actually just following the basic laws of physics.
If everything on this magnetically contained planet was created from the same source, then this would have to be considered the most logical conclusion.
Maybe. But it could also be a logical conclusion if everything in this universe was created from the same source (the basic laws of physics).
originally posted by: Aleister
Can someone with good knowledge of the subject explain this. Not quite a "Contact" (Carl Sagan book, later a film) level finding, but interesting and would be nice to know more about exactly what this is and what it means. Thanks.
originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: roadgravel
This is not about pi but the FORMULA used to derive it.
“We found the classic seventeenth century Wallis formula for pi, making us the first to derive it from physics, in general, and quantum mechanics, in particular.”
originally posted by: laminatedsoul
I thought PI was simply the definition of a part of nature, in that it is the the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter, which means that in any circle or sphere, it will exist. This would be true also for the energy orbit of the hydrogen atom.
I am highly bad at math however, but from what I can gather, at lower energy states, the orbit becomes less defined... while at higher energy states, it becomes more defined. So ..
"At the lower energy orbits, the path of the electron is fuzzy and spread out," Hagen explained. "At more excited states, the orbits become more sharply defined and the uncertainty in the radius decreases."
Nah I still don't really get it... lol
it means what exactly.. why is it actually going to change things?? Did god put this there? PI proves god doesn't exist you know, how can an all knowing creator have created something that is infinite and unknowable...
I'll stick to the temperature of beer. less orbiting and more pie...
This is not about pi but the FORMULA used to derive it.
originally posted by: roadgravel
I would be more surprised to not find it since it is seen in forms created by nature. These guys are easily WOW'ed.
originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People
There is no real chaos, because every system that appears chaotic is actually just following the basic laws of physics.
If everything on this magnetically contained planet was created from the same source, then this would have to be considered the most logical conclusion.
Maybe. But it could also be a logical conclusion if everything in this universe was created from the same source (the basic laws of physics).
LOL
I was agreeing with you.
I am highly bad at math however, but from what I can gather, at lower energy states, the orbit becomes less defined... while at higher energy states, it becomes more defined. So ..
I thought PI was simply the definition of a part of nature, in that it is the the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter, which means that in any circle or sphere, it will exist. This would be true also for the energy orbit of the hydrogen atom.
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: laminatedsoul
I thought PI was simply the definition of a part of nature, in that it is the the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter, which means that in any circle or sphere, it will exist. This would be true also for the energy orbit of the hydrogen atom.
Precisely, I don't really see anything special about this discovery, it's completely predictable. It's possible to approximate pi just by dropping sticks on a piece of paper.
What we call "material" seems to be like playdough which conforms and is shaped by information that's being processed.
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
Does it really matter if you don't see anything special about the discovery? Maybe you don't understand why the Mathematician that co-authored the paper said this:
"It was a complete surprise - I jumped up and down when we got the Wallis formula out of equations for the hydrogen atom," said Friedmann. "The special thing is that it brings out a beautiful connection between physics and math. I find it fascinating that a purely mathematical formula from the 17th century characterizes a physical system that was discovered 300 years later."
Why was it a complete surprise? Because they didn't just find pi and this is what you fail to understand. Here's more:
“We didn’t just find pi,” said Tamar Friedmann, a visiting assistant professor of mathematics and a research associate of high energy physics, and co-author of a paper published this week in the Journal of Mathematical Physics. “We found the classic seventeenth century Wallis formula for pi, making us the first to derive it from physics, in general, and quantum mechanics, in particular.”