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The fascist plot to take over america

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posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: Murgatroid

Many people think the Butler thing was just a ruse and controlled opposition to keep any heat off FDR and any "Socialist" / "Fascist" policies that were being implemented at the time.





posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I believe you're probably right...

I was only able to find one credible source that referenced this (see below).

I consider Henry Makow to be one of the best sources out there, which is why I believe that he (and you) are probably right.


The story that Wall Street bankers planned to overthrow FDR in 1933 still makes the rounds in 2007. Last week, the BBC named "Dubya's" grandfather, Prescott Bush as one of the conspirators. Clearly, the Illuminati bankers staged the "planned coup" to give FDR credibility as Wall Street's nemesis. As I will show, they routinely used such tricks to build up their Presidential puppet.

The NWO apparently still considers Roosevelt and his model of Big Government as a propaganda asset. Fascism takes the form of socialism, as we have seen with Communism and Nazism. The conspirators (members of the "American Liberty League") approached retired Major General Smedley Butler to use 500,000 veterans to remove FDR and become a Mussolini-like figure himself. Clearly the "Fascist Coup" was another clever ploy invented by the "publicity men."

Banker Plot To Remove FDR Was A Ruse



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: Telepathy3
Oh jeez dude, you really dont know history. Germany made ALL of their tanks.

No, we're not talking about teeth and paintings. We're talking about draining the gold vaults of COUNTRIES, Poland, Czechoslovakia, the Russian Amber Room, etc. Learn, before you spread ignorance.



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: Murgatroid
Murg I always appreciate the effort you put into every post, in this case I was just correcting his erroneous statements. Im in no way saying that America didnt contribute to Nazi power, but to say they are the reason is absurd. Support came from many places.

Im a fan of "War is a Racket" and bankers funding wars/terrorism is a conspiracy in and of itself; but the Nazi party existed before Hitler had ever heard of it and Nazi-esque ideology existed in Germany before Hitler was born. The conditions were ripe for everything that transpired due to the Versailles Treaty et al, public desire for a strong leader to pull them out of the depression etc. It was bound to happen.

Again, im saying blaming America for the Nazi party is absurd. It would have come to power even without wall street. It would have had less momentum, but it would have.



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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Wasn't FDR a dictator? I think it is odd that they wanted to oust a dictator to replace him with a dictator. Just another revisionist attempt to make straw men out of their enemies.



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: Ridhya

You obviously have no Idea about history and the reality of us ties to the people that created hitler
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posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: Ridhya

Ahhhhh so, as 'the Gut' likes to say...

My bad, those Wiki links confused me.

When ever I see someone cite Wikipedia, I too often tend to point my finger and scream heretic!




posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 02:29 PM
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I just now ran across some interesting comments below a YT video by an author named Greg Hallett...

Some of them are cited below.

Some of them mention a video by Dennis Wise, it is embedded at the bottom of this post.

It appears that Dennis' videos are very popular, (see this search)...

I haven't watched the videos yet because I prefer to check out a source beforehand.

The two searches below are one way I like to use to do that BTW...

Greg Hallett Hitler - ATS Search
Dennis Wise Hitler - ATS Search

That second link turns up nothing so it has to be changed to:

Hitler "The Greatest Story Never Told" - ATS Search

Another good alternative to the Greg Hallett search is this one:

Hitler was a British Agent - ATS Search

Some other good searches are:

Hitler Rothschild - ATS Search
Fake Legends Adolf Hitler Jewish Grandfather - ATS Search
Hitler Greg Hallett VS "Dennis Wise" - Google Search

That last search turns up a very interesting conversation between a reader and Dennis Wise where Dennis refers to a link to Benjamin Freedman’s speech on how World War I and II really started, read some of the comments above and below the one cited below:


Dennis Wise on August 18, 2015

Hi, Yes if you go to:
thepoisonappleoftheworld.com...

You can either hear his speech or read the transcript. He tells of how the Jews stabbed Germany in the back and the resulting “Holy war” declared on Germany in 1933

Part 1 Adolf Hitlers Childhood The Greatest Story NEVER Told


Benjamin Freedman is well known as a defector who was an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations who spent his life and considerable fortune exposing Jewish tyranny.

This search and the post below this one explains more.

Personally I'm not sure who to believe and am still undecided on it.

This subject appears to be one that is extremely controversial...


"Bollocks. Hitler is the only man in history to have jailed a Rothschild!

"At 27:00 min. Hallett explains that the Windsors are a sub-set of the Rothschilds, that Queen Victoria was the daughter of Nathan Rothschild.

"Hitler was not related to Rothschild He never took money from foreign bankers. Hitler was an enemy of the Jewish Masonic Global World Order, that has now completely taken over modern society. Hitler rounded up all the Masonic Lodges in Germany. If he had won the Battle of Britain, he would have destroyed all of Freemasonry in England, the power base of World Freemasonry. That is the true reason Churchill declared war on Hitler."

"I had a Greg Hallett interview on my channel, but after watching Dennis Wise's documentary 'The Greatest Story Never Told' I deleted the video because I now realize it is full if dis-information."

"hitler was illuminati"

Hitler was a British Agent - Greg Hallett & the Spymaster
Hitler was a British Agent - Greg Hallett
The Fake Legends of Adolf Hitler’s “Jewish Grandfather”

"Tiggies Tigg I don't understand that claim. Hitler did everything contrary to what illuminati would have done. He persecuted and destroyed the Masonic Lodges in Germany, the very centres of "Illuminati" thought. I think Hitler was a discomforting surprise to the Illuminati, one that they never expected in their wildest dreams."

Source: Hitler Was a British Agent - Greg Hallett





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posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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More on Benjamin Freedman mentioned in the above post:

Mr. Freedman's speech contains the truth about what really happened during WWII and what is happening NOW.

This is a history lesson you won't get from Wikipedia or the MSM.

Not a whole lot has changed since Mr. Freedman gave this speech over 50 years ago and what he says is 100% visible today.


This speech was made in 1961 and is quite a prediction of what is happening NOW. Of course, while listening to this amazing speech, I realize that Benjamin Freedman was not "predicting" anything, but merely revealing his political insider information that he knew firsthand from the inner circle to the American public at large.

"Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century. Born in 1890, he was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City at one time principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States.

Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times.

Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us -- his warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before."

Benjamin Freedman Warns America


A transcript and more information is available at:

www.sweetliberty.org...
mailstar.net...
www.whale.to...



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posted on Oct, 17 2015 @ 03:08 AM
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a reply to: Telepathy3

wow... rosevelt let them go...

oh i wonder how the world would be had Roosevelt not made that choice, especially men who plotted against his life (assuming the info in the vid is true).



posted on Oct, 17 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
Operation paperclip saw the fascist takeover of the United States of America.

The Nazis did not lose the 2nd world war, they simply cloaked themselves in Old Glory and made their way to the shores of the land of the free.

Their latest master-race-piece being the Department of HOMELAND Security - has a wonderful ring to it, does it not?

The Fascist US shadow government and bankster bloodline elites via the MSM propaganda behemoth and corporate oligarchies of today control wall street, Capitol Hill, Congress, the United Nations and exercise their power via the delivery of mega-freedoms of democrazy to all countries that have oil & gas "dictatorships".....that don't bow down to the petro-dollar.


And the body that they found of Hitler's...wasn't Hitler's after all. 60 years later, there was a DNA test on the remains, and the remains were determined to be that of a female.
edit on 17-10-2015 by IlluminatiTechnician because: Grammar



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 12:00 AM
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originally posted by: onthedownlow
Wasn't FDR a dictator? I think it is odd that they wanted to oust a dictator to replace him with a dictator. Just another revisionist attempt to make straw men out of their enemies.

Actually there were no term limits before FDR.

In an absolute twist of bastardized irony, congress saw an issue with career politicians and set presidential term limits.



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 05:10 AM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

I highly recommend you do research this subject. It's essential if you really want to know the ultimate truth of how America's Constitution and Bill of Rights faded into obscurity. What you will find is "FACTS" and not opinions. The school system neglects to teach these facts to our offspring for the reason(s) they no-longer educate the individual, but as to instruct the masses to the collective. Rockefeller said "he wanted people to be only educated enough to operate his factories" and a well rounded education in the liberal arts has been under attack since the early nineteenth century. In fact, the federally public school system curriculum has "evolved" over the past century after the elite recognized and implemented the work of notable specialists in a number of specific disciplined studies from Germany and Austria at the turn of the century. Armed with this approach and gaining the support of Washington bureaucrats led to a direction in education to inform students on how to be a good citizen and conform to the desires of authority.

To get a good understanding of this see "Charlotte Iserbyt" on youtube. She was Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement, U.S. Department of Education under Reagan. Her father and grandfather were Yale graduates and members of the Skull and Bones secret society.

Once you research Gen. Smedley Butler and his accusations at Wall St. bankers, their lawyers and others who approached him on their plan for a Coup in 1933 to eliminate FDR and install a copy of Italy's fascist state to America, Add Charlotte's account of such mentalities with people who her father knew and you will get a good appreciation of the history denied to our children.

Also, research the work of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel and the "Hegel Dietetic" of Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis. Also, Edward Bernays work on effective propaganda to direct public opinion.

If you get how all this is morphed together, listen to Eisenhower's farewell speech and JFK's speech on the threat of secret societies. This will require a lot of effort but well worth it. You will see things in proper terms. Then it will be your responsibility to teach your children what school refuses to teach. They need to master this information to understand how America is losing it path. If you need or want additional info or wish to discuss anything you discover you can contact me on ATS messaging. All Americans need to know the threat of the Eastern Establishment. BTW- avoid the right vs left argument for it's only a tool used by the elite to divide and conquer.



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 05:46 AM
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originally posted by: Telepathy3
a reply to: Vector99

Nazis did come here, but if I'm not mistaken the nazi war machine was actually the product of the us by our industrialists backing hitlers financiers, as well as people like Ford making their tanks I think it was. In short, US industrialists were the actual nazis and that even if high powered German nazis came here, there were already American nazi criminals who were in bed with nazi Germany and backing their start up that gave rise to the party


And before the Nazis the communists were already here in full force. In fact if you want to call them "influences" on US foreign and domestic policy over the years it would be better seen as some sort of merger.

Besides that the hate the wealthy campaign that has been going on strong for some time in the US (for one) is certainly not the product of capitalist think tanks. The cultural shifts away from the orderly old ways, traditional attitudes ect is certainly not the product on one school one position unless that be some new order or merger. The new Nazi/Capitalist/ Communist ect ect.....seek to control ect forgers of a new age of BS. Rome....new Rome......disruption of western culture by way of mass emigration for example......that wouldn't be a purely Capitalist/Nazi idea, following the narrative. Who would gain from subjugating american/western cultures 1000 different ways? We can see how this could service several ideas but not really Nazism in any traditional way.

For example we see a major push, from many directions, to demote the idea of Christianity's influence in the west, traditional standing in the US. Its much deeper than a simple explanation of cultural clash. Pure Nazism wouldn't demote standings of certain cultural groups, groups that it has traditionally courted. No there is something else at work here.



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 08:31 AM
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originally posted by: Telepathy3
a reply to: Ridhya

You obviously have no Idea about history and the reality of us ties to the people that created hitler


Don't get too carried away here. While some US companies were in bed with the not-sees, the financing came from the international cartel of bankers. This cartel was firmly entrenched in Europe before they gained a solid boot stomp on the states. While some of the strings in those financial ties led back to the states, they also led back to just about every country in the world with any wealth to speak of. Most of Western Europe at the very least.

As to the manufacturing, I think the critical thing supplied by the US was tetra-ethylene lead, a gasoline additive. There may have been some other chemicals that US companies supplied to them for longer than they should have as well. I don't remember anything about us buiilding their tanks, so I am skeptical of that statement but I suppose I could be wrong. P. Bush was charged for trading with the enemy, as I recall.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 04:34 AM
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The Business Plot ultimately succeeded when you think about it Presscott's son and grandson are former presidents and The US government has become the oligarchy the plotters wanted it to become .Thankfully the people of this country are not buying into a 3rd Bush term as well as a 3rd Clinton one.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: Telepathy3
a reply to: Vector99

Nazis did come here, but if I'm not mistaken the nazi war machine was actually the product of the us by our industrialists backing hitlers financiers, as well as people like Ford making their tanks I think it was. In short, US industrialists were the actual nazis and that even if high powered German nazis came here, there were already American nazi criminals who were in bed with nazi Germany and backing their start up that gave rise to the party


Before WW2 the US was in love with Hitler. Parades were thrown in his honor and Germany lead the world in eugenics which was a field that captivated the imaginations of those in the US.

After the war we brought all of the high level Nazi's over and placed them in positions of power.



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 03:16 AM
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You know you could win the argument if you simply proved your point. You said "Ford making their tanks" so,

1) Which tanks did Ford make for the Nazis?

Or you could admit you were wrong.



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 03:28 AM
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This post may give some ideas of where the fascist symbolism came from:

On the Development of World Power Structures - Part I



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 03:44 AM
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a reply to: Ridhya

Look it up, ask a historian. I don't know which ones or what engines. Tons of American industries sold to the nazis or had ties with them. Standard oil, the world largest oil manufacturer that forced a monopoly in the country and is owned by the Rockefeller family, sold the nazis the fuel they need to run their effort just as ford sold to the enemy. Coca cola, IBM, Volkswagen etc, all profited from German slave labor factories
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