U.S. Delivers 50 Tons Of Ammunition To Syria Rebel Groups

originally posted by: Crumbles
a reply to: voyger2

Wrong. The FSA are freedom fighters.

Wrong: FSA are Freedom for Americans in Syria (FAS/FSA its the same)

FSA has rebranded into the Democratic Syrian Front or something as the FSA has lost all credibility but they still need a #load of weapons. This delivery probably is for them. Kurds are also in this new group, but i dont think they will be using it against Assad. Turks not gonna be happy bout this.

One of the reasons US wants Assad gone is lot of insurgents in Iraq were coming from Syria (FSA) and Assad regime was doing little to curtail their flow.

Another reason is ofcourse to clean out any Russian influence in the middle east.

The chances of Syria getting ugly are high. Even if there were mere dozen Stringers in the 50 ton air drop and even if just 1 Russian plane gets shot or even aimed at by Stringers, the whole ME pot will rise in tension and all sorts of geopolitical trouble.

I have a feeling that once Assad forces start to make some real gains against the FSA and Nusra, then US will drop more quantities and types of ammo and fighting will escalate.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

''So just wondering why it is okay to have 120 tons of weapons and ammo delivered to the Kurds fighting ISIS, but any other rebel group fighting them is bad...why? ''

1. the kurds have little to no conflict with the goverment, so we know who they are going to be shooting at.
also kurds are a people without a nation, and arming them now means more conflict in the future, even as the syrian war ends. Some will greatly benefit from this continuation of chaos. (Note that a large group of kurds are living in Western-IRAN) Not saying that kurds dont deserve a country, but i fear that they will be abused by western agencies.

2. The 'rebel' groups will use these weapons against the goverment. So many rebel groups though. A lovely palette of jihadism and radical islam. All you can eat

So they are saying its difficult to know what will be done with the weapons they have dropped. As to the training program ending now its just weapons supply and no training needed. FUBAR

www.stripes.com...

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon dropped 50 tons of ammunition and weapons this weekend to 5,000 Syrian fighters based north of the Islamic State capital of Raqqa as part of the new U.S. equip-only strategy in aiding rebels in that country.

But it is not clear whether these fighters face the same restrictions in using the weapons as rebels who took part in the failed train-and-equip program that was officially abandoned Friday. Previously, U.S.-provided arms were not to be used against Syrian President Bashar Assad’s forces.

Col. Steve Warren, a Baghdad-based spokesman for Operation Inherent Resolve, said Tuesday the U.S. military dropped weapons Sunday to rebels called the Syrian Arab Coalition that included 100 pallets of 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm machine gun ammunition, hand grenades, mortar rounds and rocket-propelled grenades.

But Warren did not say Tuesday whether the rebels are restricted from using the weapons against Assad’s forces.

“The Syrian Arab Coalition is nowhere near the Assad regime, so it’s kind of a moot point,” he said. “We are looking for forces who are looking for the same objective we have.”

The weapons drop is a departure from a $500 million, highly structured vetting, training and equipping program that the U.S. tried to launch this year at four sites outside of Syria, in Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. That program tried to recruit and train up to 5,000 Syrian moderate rebels each year for three years and give them basic infantry skills and equipment, before returning them to Syria.

Yet, Americans still root for America.

How obvious can a conspiracy become? How obvious does obama have to seem as a puppet for tyrants.

He has no power, unless he begs for it. He's been nothing short of pathetic as America's leader. Can't believe they ripped off Ron Paul for that scum ball...


America is dropping supply crates for rebels, engaging in war thst does not need to manifest.

In other words, fueling the fire. Doing all this, while the average American knows about it. Like wtf...

America is twisted, they put the kool-aid in the water system, and everyone drank it! Lol..

What are you doing America. .. give up on your patriotic-high, you just paid for isis ammunition (again). How you feel about that?

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Holy Crap! This might be a US response to this news from yesterday.

ISIS lost most of its ammunition & heavy vehicles in Russian airstrikes – Russian Military

Islamic State militants have lost "most" of their ammunition, heavy vehicles and equipment in Russian airstrikes, the Defense Ministry said Tuesday. At least 86 ISIS targets were hit during 88 sorties in the last 24 hours.
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Russian anti-terror op in Syria

Sukhoi Su-24M and Su-34 bombers, together with Su-25SM ground support aircrafts targeted Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) sites in the provinces of Raqqah, Hama, Idlib, Latakia and Aleppo, according to the ministry. The jets hit command posts, ammunition and armament depots, military vehicles, plants producing explosives, field camps and bases.

If anything, America has just declared war against Syria and Russia!

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Because what you just described is the purview of State governments and not the Federal government.

originally posted by: InnerPeace2012

If anything, America has just declared war against Syria and Russia!

not really no.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: InnerPeace2012

If anything, America has just declared war against Syria and Russia!

not really no.

Your right, it's just proxy wars, just falls short of a direct confrontation, between these countries. It's only a matter of time.

We have never seen such close encounters since WW2, of US and Russian military planes in an intense situation partaking in crises not for the same cause, but indirectly poking each other till the other bleeds.

a reply to: InnerPeace2012
A war between Russia and the USA would be globally devastating and unprofitable
guaranteed there are back-door communications to keep this from happening.
I expect any mishaps with aircraft in Syria to be quickly covered up and/or declared mechanical
Yes our owners/leaders are insane but not stupid.

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: InnerPeace2012
A war between Russia and the USA would be globally devastating and not profitable
guaranteed there are back-door communications to keep this from happening.
I expect any mishaps with aircraft in Syria will quickly be covered up and/or declared mechanical
Yes our owners are insane but not stupid.

I agree with you somewhat, but I am also considering that fact that a lot of media attention is focused on the crisis as we know, it's as if the Western media is tracking every move the Russians are making while the Russian are all about publishing their military actions and defending any criticisms from Western media.

I don't think a cover-up can go unnoticed, in such circumstance as we have in Syria right now.

a reply to: InnerPeace2012

It's in the interests of both sides to keep this a proxy,
Reason Russia removed it's insignia's from it's aircraft, for just such a mishap
This isn't going to spiral into ww3, trust me
This is not their fist rodeo

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
So begins the supply line to the rebels/ terrorists! This is supposed to be the first of many, supply drops that will be comming to the rebels.

U.S. Delivers 50 Tons Of Ammunition To Syria Rebel Groups

CNN)U.S. military cargo planes gave 50 tons of ammunition to rebel groups overnight in northern Syria, using an air drop of 112 pallets as the first step in the Obama Administration's urgent effort to find new ways to support those groups.

Details of the air mission over Syria were confirmed by a U.S. official not authorized to speak publicly because the details have not yet been formally announced.

C-17s, accompanied by fighter escort aircraft, dropped small arms ammunition and other items like hand grenades in Hasakah province in northern Syria to a coalition of rebels groups vetted by the US, known as the Syrian Arab Coalition.

You forgot the word "freedom fighters".... it has such a idealistic sound to it.....

a reply to: all2human

I agree that it would be non-profitable to fight a major war, but I still think there still remains a chance that it cannot go unnoticed based on what has already happened.

A good example would be the, maneuvering of Russian Jets over Turkish airspace that sparked stern threats towards the Kremlin. What seemed to be an error in calculations by the Russians jets was never seen by Turkey and NATO as mistake by the Kremlin, but a direct threat.

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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned the Kremlin that any "attack on Turkey means an attack on Nato".

"If Russia loses a friend like Turkey, with whom it has a lot of co-operation, it is going to lose a lot of things. It needs to know this," Mr Erdogan said.

a reply to: InnerPeace2012
It's in the interests of all parties to keep the public in fear
it supports their agenda
to substitute our freedom for security.

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: InnerPeace2012
It's in the interests of all parties to keep the public in fear
it supports their agenda
to substitute our freedom for security.

Hmmm...interesting take. Very plausible indeed.

Thanks

Maybe this has something to do with why they needed to drop the terrorists/rebels more stuff. . . . .

www.presstv.com...

Moscow says the Takfiri Daesh terrorist group has suffered major losses in Russia’s ongoing airstrikes against its positions in Syria, highlighting that a great proportion of munitions used by the militants has been destroyed.

“Russian airstrikes resulted in the elimination of the majority of ISIS (Daesh) ammunition, heavy vehicles and equipment,” the Defense Ministry tweeted on Tuesday.

"According to radio intercepts in the Hama and Homs provinces, the militants experience an acute shortage of ammunition for small arms and grenade launchers. Some field commanders have stated demands to their leadership that if they do not receive arms in the near future, they will withdraw their groups from the combat zone," Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov also told reporters in the capital, Moscow.