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The Bogus "Doing It for the Money" Argument

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posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 09:19 AM
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On ATS the members who participate regularly in the Geo-Engineering and Chemtrails forum often rely on "they're just doing it for the money" to try to discredit activists who speak out against climate engineering.

In my opinion, this is nothing but a cheap shot and internet meme.

In August 2015 in Redding, California, USA, there was an event sponsored by Dane Wigington's Geoengineering Watch which was free for the public and featured the following speakers:



  • A neurologist (Dr. Hamid Rabiee)
  • A former California Fish and Game biologist (Allan Buckmann)
  • A former US Forest Service biologist (Francis Mangels)
  • A former US Dept. of Agriculture farm specialist (Rosalind Peterson)
  • A former defense industry technician (Mark McCandlish)
  • A US Navy veteran and activist (Mario Ramirez)


Notice the speakers are "former" this or that - that's the way it has to be when one goes up against the establishment.

Another cheap shot often used on ATS is the ad hominem: Just attack the messenger instead of challenging the content of the message in a civil manner.

Hopefully, members are not going to indulge in that logical fallacy here.

Would it be possible for members to check out the page on Geoengineering Watch devoted to the content of this event and then comment without the use of the "they're just doing it for the money" or ad hominem?

Here's the link: www.geoengineeringwatch.org...




posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: ConnectDots

Somehow i think this is a very important message for the world and its future.




posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: ConnectDots

From the link:


For over 65 years those in power have waged covert weather warfare against unsuspecting and innocent populations all over the planet. The ongoing covert climate engineering programs are referred to under several primary scientific terms: solar radiation management (SRM), stratospheric aerosol geoenginering (SAG), and stratospheric aerosol injection (SAI).


So, whats the agenda, again? A conspiracy to kill droves of people with pollutants? Seems…


The highly toxic heavy metal and chemical fallout from these covert programs has contaminated the entire surface of the planet and every breath we take.

Covert? I see the contrails (jet exhaust), can't possible be good for my health. Whats covert about burning millions of tons of diesel fuel in the stratosphere everyday? All you have to so is look up to see the Miasma, excuse me chemtrails, excuse me, covert poisoning program going on.

I won;t mention effluent runoff from chemical fertilizer, how thats killing the water shed, or pollutants from radioactive contamination, coal fired power plants, mining tailings, mercury, PCB's, whatever…

The sad thing is each of these industries are in fact in it for the money, their toxic by products are our price to pay for their luxury. But how that is part of "engineering" to hurt us all escapes me. The more paying customers the more money they make. Why would they want to reduce the population?

Someone clear that up.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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Another cheap shot often used on ATS is the ad hominem: Just attack the messenger instead of challenging the content of the message in a civil manner.


And I challenge the source, the source that chirps about HAARP despite the fact it has been shut down...long ago.

edit on 28-9-2015 by Thecakeisalie because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Often things are claimed to be shut down, only to be replaced by the same thing by a different name.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 10:28 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

Do I understand you correctly that you're saying that pollution from land-based corporations worldwide is the real problem and only that?



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 10:31 AM
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a reply to: ConnectDots

I clicked on this thread thinking you were actually going to provide some actual valid reasoning. This thread looks more like a rant that you are unhappy that people say this about your Chemtrail heroes (frauds).



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 10:33 AM
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One more thing. Anyone who believes in chemtrails DAMN well better not be a man-made climate change denier. If you think the government can make large scale changes to the weather with thin little contrails, then you better believe that the entire human population dumping CO2 in the atmosphere can change the climate.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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Wow, another link to a conspiracy theory site. What did they offer as scientific evidence of this travesty? Why does anyone take Dane seriously anymore? Are believers ever going to do real research?



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 11:06 AM
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originally posted by: ConnectDots

  • A neurologist (Dr. Hamid Rabiee)


In the Description for the YouTube video of Dr. Rabiee's presentation, it says this:


Dr. Hamid Rabiee is a primary neurologist in the Redding area. He has shown great courage by even speaking at this anti-geoengineering event. The western medical system is known for pressuring all their doctors to conform with "the system" and the official narrative.

www.youtube.com...


This is one of the greatest problems we have - the consequences often faced by those who are trying to educate the public. This is why the public needs to help out by refusing to ridicule activists.

Dr. Rabiee spoke about aluminum nanoparticles penetrating the blood-brain barrier.

Are there members who contend that:



  • There are no aluminum nanoparticles in the atmosphere?
  • There are aluminum nanoparticles in the atmosphere, but they're not put there by spraying?



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ConnectDots

From the link:


For over 65 years those in power have waged covert weather warfare against unsuspecting and innocent populations all over the planet. The ongoing covert climate engineering programs are referred to under several primary scientific terms: solar radiation management (SRM), stratospheric aerosol geoenginering (SAG), and stratospheric aerosol injection (SAI).


So, whats the agenda, again? A conspiracy to kill droves of people with pollutants? Seems…


Use weaponized weather to cause panic/disasters and make precious resources scarce. Thereby forcing the populace to completely rely on their saviour, the government, for protection, water, etc.

Thats my guess..seems obvious to me..



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: ConnectDots


Dr. Rabiee spoke about aluminum nanoparticles penetrating the blood-brain barrier.

In this context, why? What evidence is there of the presence of these aluminum nanoparticles in the air? If there is any, then what evidence is there that they are 'sprayed' by airplanes?



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 11:38 AM
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Also speaking at this event were attorneys who are working on taking legal action:


A team of 7 attorneys (5 from the US and 2 from Canada) are working together with geoengineeringwatch.org in the effort to put forward a legal filing against the ongoing covert climate engineering crimes. Two of the attorneys from that team are William Blackwell and Joseph Marman. In the short video below, William and Joseph give a brief statement to summarize the ongoing legal efforts.

www.youtube.com...


Filing a lawsuit is an excellent idea.

I will be following the progress of that endeavor.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 11:58 AM
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I hear US Navy veteran Mario Ramirez linking the barium, strontium, and aluminum he found in test results of his own local rainwater to aerosol disbursement patents:




posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: ConnectDots

Now let's see him prove that it came from an aircraft and not a ground source.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:02 PM
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Often things are claimed to be shut down, only to be replaced by the same thing by a different name.



It is run by the University of Alaska now.

The US government washed their hands of it.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: ConnectDots
I hear US Navy veteran Mario Ramirez linking the barium, strontium, and aluminum he found in test results of his own local rainwater to aerosol disbursement patents:



Well, since he is a whilstleblower, he has to know everything and be completely honest right?

Have you taken any time at all to investigate the things we have told you in the past? Like how Aluminum, Barium, and Strontium are already in the environment?

Have you found the job listing in the USAF for chemtrail loader? have you found the MSDS sheet for the chemicals? Have you found the T.O. for the proper way to load the chemicals and how to adjust the nozels? As I told you in the past, there isn't ONE job in the USAF that isn't given proper instructions. NOT ONE.

In context of your thread title, can you explain how Dane Wiggington makes money to pay for his expansive property on Mt. Shasta? What does he do for a living?



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: ConnectDots
Also speaking at this event were attorneys who are working on taking legal action:


A team of 7 attorneys (5 from the US and 2 from Canada) are working together with geoengineeringwatch.org in the effort to put forward a legal filing against the ongoing covert climate engineering crimes. Two of the attorneys from that team are William Blackwell and Joseph Marman. In the short video below, William and Joseph give a brief statement to summarize the ongoing legal efforts.

www.youtube.com...


Filing a lawsuit is an excellent idea.

I will be following the progress of that endeavor.




Please ask them to include suppressing information on Bigfoot as well. there are a lot of folks who would like to see the truth come out. May as well hit them will everything right?

And I agree that the lawsuit is a good idea. When they bring in some experts to explain how basic science works and how clouds form, perhaps you will pay attention to them. God knows you haven't had the ability to listen to anyone here.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:24 PM
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"they're just doing it for the money"


How many chemtrail sites are there that aren't asking for your money in the form of donations?

Here you go for someone who really hasn't worked much in his life he sure does seem to have money that helps him to afford this...


After purchasing many contiguous parcels totaling nearly 2,500 acres, it was time to start on our new home.



The 4,200 square foot Wigington residence and efficient modern amenities prove that solar is up to the task.


www.homepower.com...

No he isn't in it for the money...but that sure doesn't hold much water after seeing what he owns. 2500 acres isn't cheap, and a 4200 square ft home isn't cheap to build either.

Seems chemtrails pay well for some.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:30 PM
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I hear US Navy veteran Mario Ramirez linking the barium, strontium, and aluminum he found in test results of his own local rainwater to aerosol disbursement patents:


Rainwater is not proof it was sprayed from a plane?

Dane should already know this after the old SHasta Mountain debacle that was debunked thoroughly when they presented misunderstood test results.



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