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originally posted by: Arbitrageur
originally posted by: and14263
As Descartes said... One cannot trust ones senses - or something like that.
We can't trust our memories. It takes a while for people to trust in the notion that they cannot trust their senses, especially memories.
What you remember may be true, it may not - but one thing is certain - over time memories distort for a multitude of reasons and there is an ultra high chance that what you remember is not what the reality was.
Yes it's nearly white but for reasons not well-understood people sometimes seem to perceive it as yellow. As you said if you stare at it you're probably just damaging your eye so you can't tell what color it is with the naked eye.
originally posted by: network dude
your memory is the least trustworthy thing you have. Look at pictures and movies for proof of that. The skies on a clear blue sky day are just as blue and vibrant as they ever were. the sun is just as bright and colorful as it ever was. (you can't stare into it anyway, so how would you know what color it was?)
You and and14263 are right about untrustworthy memory, in fact I made a thread about that topic:
You Have No Idea What Happened (We get many details wrong when recalling past memories)
Not only is memory very faulty, but our initial senses aren't reliable either. I remember an old guy telling me chickens don't taste as good as they used to. As he smoked his cigar, I couldn't help but wonder how much of that perception was from the toxins in his cigar damaging his taste buds so he couldn't taste the chicken as well as he used to.
I don't think there are any significant changes in the sky or sun that are visible to the human eye, with the possible exception of more jet contrails with increased jet traffic.
originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Picollo30
Some of you oughta take a trip up to the Colorado mountains crested butte I recommend.
originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: xoenneox
Your post is ridiculous
You just called Arbitrageur ridiculous. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
We can't even tell that square A and square B are the same color, and we can stare at this all we want:
en.wikipedia.org...
How are we supposed to tell what color the sun is when we can't stare at it without burning our retina?
The link you quoted was scientific research. I don't know if you read it, but it showed that not only are our memories faulty, but when confronted with evidence of this, we will deny it and think our memories aren't faulty. The scientists compared the same student's memory of the same event as recalled at two points in time, the second one three years later. The students denied their memory had changed, which was one of the most interesting parts of the research to me, when researchers confronted them with their own prior recollections.
originally posted by: xoenneox
Is he/she some kind of scientist, or just your collegue?
This person's explanations have no use to me, ok?
Psychologist Elizabeth Loftus studies memories. More precisely, she studies false memories, when people either remember things that didn't happen or remember them differently from the way they really were. It's more common than you might think, and Loftus shares some startling stories and statistics, and raises some important ethical questions we should all remember to consider.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
The link you quoted was scientific research.
clicking a link isn't really that hard.
originally posted by: xoenneox
...about WHAT, exactly?
This thread is about remembering what the sun and the sky used to look like. That thread was about remembering the explosion of the space shuttle. I'm not sure if "weird" really applies to any of those.
Was it about multiple people seeing sth weird?
There is no shortage of peculiar threads on ATS where people think the sun or sky looks different, planets or the moon looks different, the names of berenstain books have changed, New Zealand is out of place on the map, and there's a common thread among most of these threads which is the psychology of faulty memories so yes think they are all related.
Look, I am not going to argue here, I think, that this thread is peculiar, since many people lately(since may, to be precise) are seeing same thing.
which observation specifically? As The last video I posted explains, just the suggestion and discussions between you , your mother and a 24 year old guy that something has changed could influence your recall to think they have changed, if you're talking about the topic of this thread, the sun or the sky.
Now - I am 36, my mother is 61, 24 y.o. guy shared same observation, now - we are living in different parts of the GLOBE, so...what do you think?
That would be a better possibility than the sun actually changing since we have sensitive instruments aimed at the sun to measure changes in the sun which would detect if the color of the sun had changed.
I tried to share my idea about LCD TV/laptops/smathphones/whatever screens - since most people left CRT's, maybe this is the reason why our eyesight CHANGED, ok?
It's established fact that the light source can affect colors we see indoors, so if this thread was about things looking different colors indoors your changing light source hypothesis would be spot on and probably the most likely explanation.
sidenote: here, in Europe, EU is pushing LED and other weird sources of light for homes, now - LED light is clearly leading to depression, incadescent light, too.
Nornal bulbs are going to be...prohibited, imagine this.
Normal bulb is closest to natural light, someone want to f'up us there.