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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Aazadan
Any idea on how long the framers of the Constitution expected it to last? Did they expect two hundred years?
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Aazadan
Any idea on how long the framers of the Constitution expected it to last? Did they expect two hundred years?
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Aazadan
I would equally say GOD and American soldiers agree so it is.
What YOU suggest would break up the Republic which is what is being attempted by the left as diligently as possible
originally posted by: Boadicea
The Bill of Rights was and still is a tremendous success... as evidenced by the fact that the corrupt and self-serving must constantly violate that Bill of Rights in order to fulfill their dastardly agenda. The saddest part is that too often a significant segment of "we the people" aid and abet the bureaucrats and elected officials in that agenda.
It's also important to note that the 9th and 10th Amendments stipulate that the lack of enumeration of a specific right in the Bill of Rights does not negate that right. I would also note that the federal government does not have rights, (contrary to what they claim), they only have those enumerated powers that we the people grant them via the Constitution.
originally posted by: Aazadan
originally posted by: Boadicea
Then why is the NSA targeting American citizens legal? The argument put forward is that we don't have a right to privacy. The Constitution, in particular the Bill of Rights lists certain rights, but it never lists that one, so we don't have it.
I promise I'm not trying to play semantics... but NSA surveillance and targeting is legal only under color of law; but it is not lawful because it violates our natural rights and our inalienable rights under organic law and codified law.
If you can infer that we have rights not mentioned as per the 10th...
I am not just inferring; I am outright stating as fact that this is the original intent and purpose.
... why can't a successful argument be made that there's a right to travel, health care, privacy, voting, or several others?
There can be a successful argument made for all of those... I would say our founding fathers made those arguments, as did their mentors (Locke and others), and they can be reaffirmed today. Many people try to make those arguments today. The real question is why do so many of us refuse to listen and understand? Why do so many of us just want to use the law to violate the rights of others -- aiding and abetting the lawmakers -- rather than find reasonable solutions that don't compromise the rights of anyone else? (And, in the process, empower we the people, and weaken the wannabe tyrants).
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Aazadan
I have PLENTY of choice WE OUT number the government greatly with our majority and MOST love our traditional documents as the BACKBONE of our beliefs,aka WE DON'T WANT to change them. I 'm hardly a minority there. Our supreme goal is to be LEFT the hell ALONE,so long as we obey the law.
This new, traitorous ,P.C., garbage IS an abomination and personally I CAN'T WAIT to see what happens when the backlash agaoinst vallerie Jarretts "PAYPBACK" hits them.
As to the OTHER I suppose to you Insh'Allah pretty well covers itONLY for us Jesus /God ,not Allah.
originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Boadicea
Natural rights and inalienable rights don't exist.
Rights only exist as a matter of law...
Furthermore, a belief that certain rights simply are regardless of law leads to intolerance of other nations with a different take on things which promotes conflict.[/quote]
I disagree. If you look at what the UN, its member nations, and various international groups call "Human Rights," they basically mirror the natural law the USA was founded upon. People are people. We all have the same basic wants and needs, and the same natural rights to secure and fulfill those wants and needs.
Looking at the NSA issue in further detail, security inherently means restriction and intrusion. If defense is a goal, you must restrain the populace, and you must intrude into their lives.
Considering NSA surveillance and targeting is at an all-time high, if that were true, we would be enjoying both domestic and worldwide peace and harmony.
Liberty ultimately means a lack of safety.
Life ultimately means a lack of safety. Liberty means we have the right to protect ourselves the best we can... lack of liberty means we cannot protect ourselves at all.
...what do you do when the people demand to be secure?
We give them the tools to protect themselves and their families and their neighbors and their communities.
...if rights instead existed on a state level rather than a national level we could try different configurations and demonstrate which work best.
Hence the national security importance of protecting and promoting the 9th and 10th amendments, not throw them out with the bath water!
The citizens have been unable to show in 200+ years that they have any rights beyond those specifically mentioned which means the state has them all.
The case has been made, again and again and again throughout our history... why do we keep giving them up anyway???