a reply to: imod02
Yeah...maybe a sideline but you make an important statement on the question itself. I was mainly wanting to avoid people who wander in just to say
"psychology is a joke...this question is a joke." Yes I agree that people's own personal bias seems to seep in almost every time so I have to wonder
when I make my diagnoses, are they going to be agreed upon or more importantly did I do a proper service to the client themselves? Good points all
I'm sorry I don't know why I am this lazy but I still haven't figured out (see also: got off my butt and asked) how to multi quote
See that's what always nags me in cases of murder or serial/spree killers, etc. I personally cannot think of any scenario where I would take a life
without an extreme reason such as last second defense in a case like having a concealed carry and being held at gun point. In a case of revenge I am
always left wondering if this person is so emotionally harmed by whatever set of events got him/her thinking this way. Or in the case of something
more like first-degree murder...is anyone who commits such an act mentally stable in the first place?
And before anyone goes out of context...I am not saying I believe those statements...just that they make me think. The problem is if I were to open
this can of worms, does a slippery slope begin where I have to say "well nobody who would commit murder is all with it...therefore your sentence is
commuted." In the past we have on many occasions transferred to a ward instead of prison or released due to insanity pleas. I guess really I was just
interested in hearing some viewpoints...not to help me even make my decision because ultimately any decision I would ever have to make on a case
should be my own original thought and on a case-by-case basis.
Thanks for the response
No worries FyreByrd...if you come back I look forward to it...if not...ain't no thing
I'm not in disagreement by any means. Danger is danger and we prove that daily in this country. I am no jailer, police officer, judge or juror but I
have made my attempts to rein in concerns or personal or external safety by means of psychiatric admissions to those who have presented imminent risk.
Granted an admission is sometimes 3 days at best but we do what we can to avoid dangerous situations. But if say, John Holmes was undeniably
schizophrenic and by some magic we could find out without any doubt that his illness caused him to commit the shooting, shouldn't we still have him
placed somewhere that he couldn't harm again? So as stated I am not in disagreement with you
Thanks for joining...look I am not sure why you have to bring in an emotional plea like the pretend event of my family being in the theater...I also
am not sure why you feel you need to keep responding if you are irritated by this question...
The purpose for me opening this discussion was part selfish...in that I wanted to talk to some fine minds and open a dialogue...and part selfless...in
that I wanted to open the lines of communication and see who could offer other people some new lines of thinking to ponder
Before you even say it...no I am not "un-calm" and I am not angry, offended, or anything else. I am calm as a cucumber while I post this
I've never understood the purpose of the whole "what if it was you/your family" thing...it's so emotionally charged and pointed. I get the idea of
taking time to place yourself in a situation and I have indeed thought of what if I were a father or brother of one of the victims. The problem is
most of the time when someone asks a question like yours, it's very emotionally-charged and meant to throw people off. This discussion was brought
about as very open-ended and with the thought that it would be more of a discussion instead of placing ourselves in the scenario...quite simply, I
wanted to propose the question of "what of this situation in your opinion?" Nothing more.
Some people would indeed absolve him. I personally am always on the fence on this so I decided to pop up a discussion on it...with good results I
might add. ATS is a great place for these topics especially when approach respectfully
The one thing I would like to challenge you on is this. And make sure you read this because I am not interested in a cherry-pick out of context
You say that if you are mentally ill, why not see a therapist, or a psychiatrist, or admit yourself. I am 100% in agreement.
The problem with that is...when you are knee deep in a psychotic break, you aren't quite in the right mind to make these appropriate decisions for
yourself. When you are manic, you are feeling way too good to recognize that a problem exists. When you are immensely depressed, you often don't feel
the power to get out of bed let alone move to your psychiatry appointment. My point is, that in many cases, people may not be, or may not feel
physically capable of doing these acts. All of these ideas I commend you on...in theory...the problem is your question doesn't include reality and
reality is that many times...not always...but many times when someone is truly ill they either don't notice it, don't care, or don't have the ability
in the moment or after to seek the proper care.