What is House Bill 2899, the CVE and why it is important to use as citizens?

a reply to: Puppylove

So throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I don't think I'm comfortable signing away our ability to defend ourselves from a corrupt government as a nation.

The gov will do all that it can to stop a revolution anyway.
Acting like this will some how make that easier is a little naive to me.

Where would you be signing away your ability to defend yourself in this?

a reply to: Sremmos80

This is making it legal for the government to define any group as or speech an extremist they feel like and lock them up. This means, my saying what I've said in this thread is already enough to lock me up, because I dared to mention a revolution and violence together.

Does anybody ever read the Bill? First of all if this is a progressive agenda why is its creator and all 7 cosponsors in the GOP? The lack of a DNC cosponsor pretty much kills the bill anyway.

However, when you read it what does it do? It creates an office that studies the creation of violent extremism. And what does this office do? Write reports. It studies how people are radicalized and how outreach programs and social media can used to counter the information that is pushed to radicalize people into violent attacks. It then makes suggestions and coordinates the rest of DHS activities in those areas. It has no agents and does not make arrests. And it is being staffed with

seek to assign to or hire for the Office an individual who has a demonstrated background in technical matters, on and offline media, or marketing.

Right now several different agencies in DHS do this already but, not at any real coordinated level. Although the FBI would already be doing this as well . This bill would create one office to make it one coordinated effort instead of a half dozen running already on their own. Seems like and effort to steal some jurisdiction and funding from the FBI.

It is in essence a GOP created bill with no DNC support thus with no chance of ever going anywhere that would create and additional level of paper pushers in DHS repeating what the FBI does already.

a reply to: matafuchs

All I can say is that if you are worried about a round up for no other reason than political views or gun ownership then a Russian guy has said something like if the first 10 houses the kgb tried to enter opened fired they would have quit entering. If you are concerned prepare. If not continue on. Patriot act , ndaa, this. Just wow. Nothing would suprise me

a reply to: Puppylove

Except it doesn't

You are the one creating that scenario.
That doesn't some how make it true.

a reply to: MrSpad

Sorry, but do not just read the bill. You have to look into the CVE. The CVE is already 'part' of DHS. This is authorizing a seperate entity altogether that is not really needed because it is already part of DHS and is also discussing things the FBI is already also designated to do.

This creates a agency of its own that becomes part of the HSA act of 2002. It creates a permanent leadership post to head this new agency. It also discusses adding members which is the opposite of what you stated...

including at a minimum, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Office of Privacy, the National Protection and Programs Directorate, the Office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, and the Science and Technology Directorate, an individual to serve as liaison to the Office for Countering Violent Extremism.

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it is also not GPO sponsored only...

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his week, the White House is convening a three-day summit on Countering Violent Extremism (CVE) to bring together local, federal, and international leaders – including President Obama and foreign ministers – to discuss concrete steps the United States and its partners can take to develop community-oriented approaches to counter hateful extremist ideologies that radicalize, recruit or incite to violence. Violent extremist threats can come from a range of groups and individuals, including domestic terrorists and homegrown violent extremists in the United States, as well as terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIL.

Again, if it is already there why do we need it?

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: MrSpad

Sorry, but do not just read the bill. You have to look into the CVE. The CVE is already 'part' of DHS. This is authorizing a seperate entity altogether that is not really needed because it is already part of DHS and is also discussing things the FBI is already also designated to do.

This creates a agency of its own that becomes part of the HSA act of 2002. It creates a permanent leadership post to head this new agency. It also discusses adding members which is the opposite of what you stated...

including at a minimum, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Office of Privacy, the National Protection and Programs Directorate, the Office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, and the Science and Technology Directorate, an individual to serve as liaison to the Office for Countering Violent Extremism.

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it is also not GPO sponsored only...

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his week, the White House is convening a three-day summit on Countering Violent Extremism (CVE) to bring together local, federal, and international leaders – including President Obama and foreign ministers – to discuss concrete steps the United States and its partners can take to develop community-oriented approaches to counter hateful extremist ideologies that radicalize, recruit or incite to violence. Violent extremist threats can come from a range of groups and individuals, including domestic terrorists and homegrown violent extremists in the United States, as well as terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIL.

Again, if it is already there why do we need it?

Read what you posted again about each of those agencies.

an individual to serve as liaison to the Office for Countering Violent Extremism.

And again the White House is appointing a full time senior level coordinator at DHS, the The GOP Bill wants to create a separate agency at DHS. In both cases they do the same thing coordinate and make suggestions to other agencies at the Federal, state and local agencies. It has no agents, no powers and barely a staff. Why do we need it? Maybe you miss the nutters who get crazy ideas in their heads and go on mass killings. They would like to find a way to counter those crazy ideas so that those people while being exposed to the crazy ideas also are exposed to more positive ideas. Which is why part of what this does work with community artists to create art that sends a positive message unity and such. Again, none of this new.