a reply to: JackHill
Absolutely. I totally agree. ATS has also allowed me to connect some dots that never made sense before. I like to joke that "logic is optional" but
for me it is paramount. Back in my day, these things were not known or discussed, at least not to me. I had two "contradictory" experiences in a short
space of time, and don't forget I was only 4. In one, I was in the sky with a beautiful, "human" man who could read my mind. He saved my life. A short
time later, and unrelated to this, I was in the sky looking down on a man who had just tried to take our lives.
Growing up, I knew both happened, but I also knew that it didn't fit into anything I had been taught, nor any laws of physics that I could possibly
imagine. I eventually began to think that I might be able to explain one of the experiences, but then the other would always sort of knock the logic
out of it. I was not familiar with the concept of aliens nor OBEs.
I knew I could explain, to myself, that I had been in the sky in the forest, because, well, I just knew that I knew, and it was a wonderful
experience. But the other, just hanging there in the sky, by myself, made absolutely no sense to me until much later, when I learned about NDE or OBE,
as I had been violently thrown against a wall and had lost consciousness for a while. But for a very, very long time, each experience sort of counter
discredited the other.
Later in life, I read "Interrupted Journey" and I kept finding my mind go back to that forest, but I would dismiss it, because I didn't see any
"aliens," per se, although I was uncomfortable with some other people behind me, only the kind man kept my attention towards looking out the window
with him, to the spot that we had just been at.
Just for clarity, let me explain, I was alone in the forest, having wandered off, as it was adjacent to the army base. The forest was very dense and,
at the base of a pine tree, I had spotted a set of red mushrooms with white dots on them. To me, they were quite pretty and I was reaching to pick
them, when a man said to me, clear and loving as could be, "Don't touch that mushroom." I looked about and saw a tall man, dressed in black, standing
maybe 15 yards behind me and off to the right. But it sounded like he was right in my ear. And even though he was so far away, I could see his eyes. I
could feel his eyes. I have never seen, nor felt, such love.
The next thing I knew, I was up in the air with him and we were looking out a window, that was rectangular but tilted down a bit, perhaps at a 20
degree angle. I was uncomfortable with some people behind us and he put his hand on my shoulder and pointed down to the forest, and in my mind I could
hear him say that this was the spot that we had just been at. But in my childish excitement, I could see a small pond off to the distance a short
ways, and so, rather than look where he was pointing, I pointed instead to the pond, saying, "Look! A pond!" And at that moment, I could "feel" that
he was surprised at my remark and he was amused by it. I could "feel" his amusement and this stood out to me, because I had never felt what another
person was feeling before.
But that other experience, of the OBE, sort of messed things up in my later need for logic.
It was years later still, that I was walking in a mall and we happened to walk past a book store and the window display was full of the book
"Communion." I stopped dead in my tracks and pointed to the books and exclaimed, "The eyes are too high!" And then I had a, sorry, WTF moment, not
knowing why I had just said that.
Again, my mind kept going back to that moment in Germany. But this was extremely upsetting because, even if this did explain the people behind me that
had made me feel uncomfortable, it surely did not explain that the man I saw was human.
It was still more years later that I had met a kind, elderly gentleman at a MUFON meeting who had been tracking and documenting sightings as a great
endeavor, and asked him if he were familiar with any UFO's in Stuttgart, Germany, back in 1952. The next time we met, he came up to me rather
excitedly, and told me that there were indeed sightings there and then but they were most unusual, as they involved humans.
So, I do have a good memory of the first. There is much more to that story, but that would probably be thread drift.
As for the experience I had described earlier on this post, I have no definite UFO experience, but I do acknowledge that this is more likely than not.
I just don't feel comfortable labelling it as such. I mean, for me it is a technicality to maintain credibility, if you understand. I am trying to be
Anyway, I was impressed that you replied once. Now you have done so again. I realize that in so doing, you are messing up your star to post rating,
and I see how few replies you have made, so once again, I am honored. Thank you.