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The Globalists Will Strike Back over Greece

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posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 08:31 PM
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Someone pointed out the hypocrisy of Germany who has over the decades gone to extreme measures to wipe out their own debt and have succeeded

It appears according to reports the Troika wanted to gut pensions but wouldn’t allow an increase in taxes for the rich.


Also it appears the biggest problem in Greece is the elite putting their money in European tax havens many having connections with the very bankers trying to choke Greece now!




posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Or maybe this was the plan?



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 04:26 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

The Globalists Will Strike Back over Greece. - The banks will sure as christ make an example of them for any other country thinking of going down the same road.

Expect to see concentration camp like people in Greece in a couple of years. Greece will be reduced to a third world state to show all other countries what happens if they don't pay their debts.
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posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 05:14 AM
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originally posted by: Willtell
When the hidden masters don’t get their way they strike back quickly, sadistically, and certainly!

They don’t like to be fooled with or denied!


Hang on a second...
If the vote had been Yes in Greece, you would have claimed that this was the Globalists rigging the vote, these all-powerful people controlling the outcome, but because the country voted No without any influence from outside, you then claim that these all-powerful globalists will be attacking the country?

This is another example of there ALWAYS being a conspiracy, a plot, no matter what the outcome is or what events unfold.

Alex Jones does this all the time, he ignores the rational and weaves his own plot into absolutely anything, and too many people swallow it without using common sense or basic rationality.

Why didn't these all-powerful globalists (presumably the NWO, right?) just rig the vote and make the outcome go in their favor?

This is stupid, no matter what happens the paranoid will find a way to weave their own conspiracies into absolutely everything.



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 05:27 AM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Also it appears the biggest problem in Greece is the elite putting their money in European tax havens many having connections with the very bankers trying to choke Greece now!


The biggest problem in Greece is the out of control corruption of their taxation system, combined with the fact that they produce almost nothing and rely almost exclusively on tourism, and yet they were still able to enter the EU and single currency.

They should never have joined the Euro, they were never stable enough to function well within it and they failed miserably to create proper taxation.

You can claim whatever you like, but it's all there on paper for anyone with a basic grasp of mathematics to see for themselves. Their internal economy collapsed after experiencing a shock that every other country was able to manage (with varying degrees of austerity) and they expected the rest of Europe to bail them out.

One of the best analogies I've heard is as follows...

The Eurozone is like a street of terraced houses.
A storm arrives and damages every roof along that street.
The next day everyone gets out and fixes their roof, except one person.
They can't afford it, because they never got insurance and they party every weekend rather than save any money.
Now, their house is rotting from the inside, and they expect their neighbors to pay for the damage.
The neighbors don't want to, why should they? They were responsible and they paid for their repairs themselves.
But they know that if they don't pay the neighbor their homes might rot too.
But, there's no guarantee the neighbor will actually actually use that money to fix the roof, they might just go on holiday with it instead.

That's the problem here. While people can argue all they like about the bankers and conspiracies, this is what is actually happening right now in Greece, and the people voted to refuse to repair their own roof.



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 05:49 AM
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originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: Willtell

Without question the EU and US will strike back. Ironically, Russia and China who are supposed to be the bad guys, will gladly step in.


The SMART bad guys are the ones that come bringing gifts and a helping hand at desperate times.


Is a gas line needed to go through Greece?



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 07:12 AM
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a reply to: Rocker2013

You speak as if there isn't clearly one option that is more favourable for the Troika...

And your terrace analogy is flawed also. It would be more like if everyone else on the street formed a gang and then sabotaged their roof and asked them to pay them for "protection" to make sure it didn't happen again.

Yes, there is corruption in Greece.

No, the Greek people shouldn't have to pay for their corrupt leaders actions.



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
You speak as if there isn't clearly one option that is more favourable for the Troika...


No I don't. I speak reflecting the reality of the situation, and whether that means there is one favourable option then so be it.
Greece was let into the Euro when it shouldn't have been (a choice they made).
Greece refused to change to become more economically secure.
A global crisis impacted them more significantly than other nations because they did almost nothing to secure themselves economically.
They borrowed money (again, they made that choice) to shore up their failing economic situation, while still refusing to fix the core problems of their failing economy.
Instead of taking responsibility for the actions and failings of their own nation, they elected a party which now wants to balk on the deal and the debts they created with their lenders in exchange for economic security and a chance to fix things - things they then refused to fix the moment they had enough money to see them through.
Now that money has ran out, they need more, but they have the balls to demand that money according to their terms.
The rest of Europe should tell them no.


originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
And your terrace analogy is flawed also. It would be more like if everyone else on the street formed a gang and then sabotaged their roof and asked them to pay them for "protection" to make sure it didn't happen again.


No doubt the banking world caused the collapse, you're absolutely right about that.
However, the rest of the world was not so economically ignorant, the rest of the world had worked for decades (and longer) to ensure their own economies could wiggle through the crisis will less of an impact on the public.
The rest of the world worked damn hard and made difficult decisions to lessen the impact of the economic crisis while Greece carried on failing to collect taxes and giving their public all the little treats they demanded - on everyone else's dime.


originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
Yes, there is corruption in Greece.

No, the Greek people shouldn't have to pay for their corrupt leaders actions.


Like it or not, the Greek government represents the Greek people.
I fully understand that not all Greeks are responsible for the decisions their government makes, but as the voting was clear in this referendum the majority of the public refuse to accept responsibility for their own mess. Whether they are personally responsible or not, they should have voted Yes to limit the damage to their own country and to stand a chance of surviving with the help of the rest of Europe.

Right now the Greek people are being told by their government that saying no to austerity allows them to force their own demands on their lenders, when that's really not the case. Either way, Greece needs MORE MONEY from those same lenders, and those lenders cannot have faith that there won't be another referendum in another year once again leading to them losing billions in loans that will never be paid back.

Greece has made a choice, regardless of how they got to that choice, they have chosen to sink into extreme risk rather than make some difficult economic choices.

What they should have done was vote Yes, continue talks, secure stability in banking for the country for the next couple of years, then work damn hard to install a FUNCTIONING taxation system, promote tourism like never before, create an exportable product, and dig themselves out of the hole they are in while desperately trying to support the poorest and most vulnerable.

Instead of that, it looks like they will have no choice but to leave the Euro, reinstate the Drachma, lose out on potentially billions in tourism for the next few years, and all without any economic assistance from other European nations. The people who would have been affected after a yes vote will still be affected, and probably even more, while the rest of society also suffers with them when they might not have with a yes vote.

A Yes vote would have meant insecurity and austerity
A No vote will now lead to massive economic insecurity, the departure of the Euro, loss of support from European partners, loss in tourism, increased unemployment, closure of businesses, protests, strikes and riots...

The people have made the wrong choice based on simplistic rhetoric from an idiotic government not wanting to take responsibility. When the people who voted No wake up from this dream and realize the nightmare they have created for themselves, they will turn on that government and blame them for everything they voted for.



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 08:03 AM
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originally posted by: Willtell
When the hidden masters don’t get their way they strike back quickly, sadistically, and certainly!

They don’t like to be fooled with or denied!


So now expect a certain payback incident like a terrorist strike in or near Greece, or some other catastrophe heaped on them such as this article suggests:


Whatever folks rest assured Greece will get kneecapped in some kind of way

Any group or individual who stops the Globalist agenda always gets it


Perhaps, but I don't see why they would need to. I think you're looking at the chess board for the next move, and these guys are looking six moves ahead. I'd guess the way it's rigged, Greece is bound to suffer and be subjugated either way. I think that even with Greece going it alone, it doesn't mean that they will actually get themselves together as a nation. I would think that just letting them fry with a little back room tinkering to make sure it truly develops into the nightmare that it could would send a pretty strong message on its own.

Just because, though? Just because they can, or to really drive it home? Perhaps. I just don't think they would necessarily need to, to insure or maintain control.



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: Rocker2013

You may be right, I agree with a lot you say, but....

Is this not the same thing as the last big financial crisis, where banks loaned to people they shouldn't have loaned to. Regardless of your take on whether Greeks should be held accountable for a couple of corrupt politicians, should the financial institutions have agreed to provide this bad debt?

Its the MO of all banks, loan fiat over the odds, claim back items of real value when the debt can't be repaid. Would you not blame the banks for providing 110% mortgages to people close to the poverty line? How is this any different?



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: ColCurious
Greece's current Government were elected on promises to stop the austerity measures, so let's be honest, we ca,n't point fingers at this Government, no matter how much you hate socialists.

I don't exactly understand the connection.
I wasn't even pointing fingers. I very much could though... regardless of my feelings towards socialists.


originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
The Germans have an absolute brass neck imo, as Greece agreed to wipe out 50% of the debt it was owed by Germany after WWII, in 1953.

I'm not familiar with the term "have a brass neck"... but just FYI:
Greece had her own 50% debt haircut and debt buy-backs from private holders of Greek Government bonds... at the expense of the taxpayers of other (net contributing) nations within the EU (yours included btw.)
So... what is your point exactly?



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Someone pointed out the hypocrisy of Germany who has over the decades gone to extreme measures to wipe out their own debt and have succeeded


Well... that someone is wrong.

Except if you (or that someone) was refering to Germany paying those debts back... like the European Recovery Program (or "Marshal Plan"), or war reparations from WWII... which are all officially and fully repaid.
Yes... even the ones to the nation of Greece. Ask their previous Governments - and the people who elected and legitimized them.



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: ColCurious

originally posted by: Willtell
Someone pointed out the hypocrisy of Germany who has over the decades gone to extreme measures to wipe out their own debt and have succeeded


Well... that someone is wrong.

Except if you (or that someone) was refering to Germany paying those debts back... like the European Recovery Program (or "Marshal Plan"), or war reparations from WWII... which are all officially and fully repaid.
Yes... even the ones to the nation of Greece. Ask their previous Governments - and the people who elected and legitimized them.


Oh Really?




Greece on Sunday voted a resounding “no” on a bailout plan proposed by its creditors, making its continued membership in the eurozone more tenuous. German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande will hold an emergency summit on Tuesday to discuss the crisis.

But Piketty, who penned the blockbuster 2013 book on income inequality Capital in the Twenty-First Century, slammed conservatives who favor the economic austerity measures Germany and France are demanding of Greece, saying they demonstrate a “shocking ignorance” of European history.

“Look at the history of national debt: Great Britain, Germany, and France were all once in the situation of today’s Greece, and in fact had been far more indebted,” Piketty said. “The first lesson that we can take from the history of government debt is that we are not facing a brand new problem.”

Germany, Piketty continued, has “no standing” to lecture other nations about debt repayment, having never paid back its own debts after both World Wars.

“However, it has frequently made other nations pay up, such as after the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, when it demanded massive reparations from France and indeed received them,” Piketty said. “The French state suffered for decades under this debt. The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.”

Piketty criticized the “infantile” moral uprightness of Germany, whose economic success upon reunification has led it to rebuke nations like Greece for being in similarly weakened financial states as Germany itself was in decades ago.

Piketty argued that the same debt relief accorded to Germany after World War II should be granted to Greece today.
www.theguardian.com...



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 11:58 AM
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Yes. Really.


originally posted by: Willtell
Germany, Piketty continued, has “no standing” to lecture other nations about debt repayment, having never paid back its own debts after both World Wars.

Wrong.

Your quote isn't from the article you've linked btw.



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: ColCurious

Bring your proof. Show us that the Fuhrer paid his reparations



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: ColCurious

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: ColCurious
Greece's current Government were elected on promises to stop the austerity measures, so let's be honest, we ca,n't point fingers at this Government, no matter how much you hate socialists.

I don't exactly understand the connection.
I wasn't even pointing fingers. I very much could though... regardless of my feelings towards socialists.


You stated in your initial post that the Socialist Government spent everybody else's money, so you were pointing fingers.



I'm not familiar with the term "have a brass neck"... but just FYI:
Greece had her own 50% debt haircut and debt buy-backs from private holders of Greek Government bonds... at the expense of the taxpayers of other (net contributing) nations within the EU (yours included btw.)
So... what is your point exactly?


My point being that the Greek people aren't the ones that got their country into this financial mess, yet they are expected to pay the price. Germany are not content with the massive austerity measures that have been introduced and are demanding more. When people have nothing, how can you take anything from them?

People within the E.U need to look at what's happening in Greece currently and they need to realise that if their country was in a similar situation, Germany would be rubbing their hands with glee, ordering sovereign Governments to punish their people, because of incompetent decisions of the past.

I really hope we vote to leave this Quango called the E.U and I really hope we get to have our vote sooner, rather than later.
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posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 12:12 PM
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www.lse.ac.uk...

Something called The Marshall plan, named after the WWII General …





LSE Professor of Economic History Albrecht Ritschl conducted research into how Germany was able to pay off its debts after the two World Wars. In particular, his re-interpretation of the scale of financial payments to, and debt forgiveness for, Germany after World War II shed new light on the approach that modern-day Germany should take towards debt-ridden countries such as Greece. Ritschl looked in detail at the financial assistance that was paid to Germany after the war under the Marshall Plan, in which the US gave $17 billion – around $160 billion in today’s values – in economic support to help rebuild European economies. He showed that while the transfers were tiny, the cancellation of debts was worth as much as four times the country’s entire economic output in 1950 and laid the foundation for Germany’s fast post-war recovery…





However, after the Wall Street Crash of 1929, the US demanded full repayment of its loans to
Germany. Ritschl showed that austerity policies imposed on Germany pushed it into the Great
Depression and sovereign debt default. The German government cut state spending, wages and
unemployment pay. Unemployment rose to 6 million. Ultimately this severe depression paved the
way for the rise of the Nazis.


History repeats itself as the elite masters DEMAND full payment of their usurious blood sucking loans

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posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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Proverb


When you challenge WillTell


Have your facts right

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posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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there's no doubt whatsoever that the so-called 'globalist elite' will indeed throw a hissy fit at greece's audacicity in it's democratically expressed repulsion for the IMF and all it represents. there is every likelihood that said hissy fit will take the form of a 'terrorist' attack. eminently plausible, if not almost predictable. you can't expect bullying cowards (the 'elite') to react in any other way to being rejected out of hand, as they so clearly were by greece's overwhelming OXI vote. their time will come, however. the globalist system is a fail. the banks are a fail. the 'elites' are the bottom of the barrel as far as humane empathy is concerned. they are incapable of guilt, shame, compassion or regret for the damage they have and continue to inflict on honest, innocent citizens everywhere. i look forward to their demise.



posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 12:39 PM
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originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
You stated in your initial post that the Socialist Government spent everybody else's money, so you were pointing fingers.

No.
I've stated that the Greek people will suffer, because after their referendum (regarding the outdated terms of an already expired bailout-progam) their socialist Government doesn't have any funds. And won't get any in the near future as it seems.



My point being that the Greek people aren't the ones that got their country into this financial mess, yet they are expected to pay the price.


And you're seriously telling this to a German? Today?
While all we (Germans) are currently hearing from leftists is talk about reparations for WWII or even WWI???

I wasn't even alive 70 years ago... and you're talking about "incompetent decisions of the past" as an excuse for the Greek people?!?

Please...



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