a reply to: highfromphoenix
What you're asking is silly, at least in regards to a God or Creator. I mean no offence by that.
It's fundamentally flawed.
You're asking for an objective piece of scientific evidence to provide unquestionable proof for something that by its very virtue exists external to
the observable universe.
The concept of God/Gods cannot and will not ever die. It's a concept that humans naturally imagine but cannot be tested.
Neither can the idea that you're a 'brain in a vat'. Yet both ideas share a common key feature which is the fact that humans can seem to make sense of
these scenarios, especially as scientific knowledge has progressed.
That sounds counter-intuitive but let me put it to you differently. The God/Gods could simply be a previous and naturally evolved race in the original
universe of which ours is an artificially virtual reality.
You can comprehend it but by its virtue you cannot test it. The concept will always remain in this bracket of human consciousness. The only reasonable
thing to do is to assume you cannot deduce an answer and hence continue with your life.
I do not think it's wise, however, to decide 100% that there is or isn't a God/existence of Gods.
If you want to talk specifically about the Abrahamic books... well, that's a whole separate issue that actually dates back to at least 3000 BC.
For all we know, the source of those books and that specific creator could ironically be an alien race and the whole thing would make perfect sense
The 'proof' for the more general concept of a God/Gods, or an external intelligence attributed to the creation of the universe, lies in the collective
experience and understanding of the universe and it's rules.
I can elaborate on that greatly if you wish. Personally, I belong to no faith and neither do I believe there's an external intelligence for sure, but
I definitely respect the possibility.
As for aliens - well, logically, the chances of alien life, and complex at that, are incredibly high. It would be stranger for there to not be alien
As for 'proof' - I agree that there is no reasonable smoking gun evidence for it.
It also sounds to me that you are more so referring to proof of aliens visiting the Earth rather than just in general.
Once again, the evidence for this (in our current moment) would come from a collective rather than specific piece of evidence.
You're approaching this all wrong. You've accepted there's no objective singular piece of evidence for aliens, I.e an alien body, and that's good...
but ask yourself, 'why do others believe there's evidence for this?'
Don't just assume these are stupid or scientifically incapable people - that's absolutely the worst way to approach any of this.
Research it from the perspective that you're trying to gather a file of collective secondary evidence to convince someone, and see if that secondary
evidence amounts to something of the calibre as the singular primary evidence you seek.
As for an external intelligence - if you can't see the potential
for this through your very own experience and understanding of the universe
thus far, there is absolutely nothing anyone can say to you to convince your otherwise.
I only have to move my hands at will to realise this potential. I understand the science of it perfectly, and that makes it so much more
edit on 10-6-2015 by DazDaKing because: (no reason given)