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Originally posted by Dima
if i'm not mistaken, isn't the Rafale and the Typhoon basically the same aircraft, because France used to be part of the project, and then they pulled out, and coincidentally, they were to introduce a fighter that had roughly the same specs, and looks in the same year
anyways, current top 10 are that are in operation
But then again, there's the upgraded Su-35BM coming out soon, its capabilites will be incredible
in the future, it will look something like this(by future, i mean 2010-2012 max)
4.Russian MFI(whichever one they choose)
i don't like saying this, i cringw whenever i say it, but i have to give the F-22 first place, because we don't know almost anything about the T-50 or the future russian heavy aircraft other than the T-5 will have aj incredible range, better supercruising capabilities, and by the pictures of it, it will be almost as large as an F-22
i don't know much about other countries aircraft because i mostly search for russian and sometimes american ones, so give me your thoughts, Rafale will be better because, in the past, France has made some incredibly efficient aircraft, and the J-12 will be mostly crap, like the J-10, but it will still pose a threat
Originally posted by ChrisRT
Just rename this thread and continue as so...
The top 5 proven are the:
This list is of course going by A2A kills achived...
Originally posted by beretboy22
Okay here goes...
1. F-22- stealth, super-cruise, advanced avionics, superior maneuverability
2. Typhoon- super-cruise, high-turn rate, advanced avionics
3. F-35- advanced avionics, maneuverability comparable to the F-16
4. Su-30MKI- very manueverable, large payload, large combat radius
5. JAS-37 Gripen- highly maneverable, advanced avionics
These are all operational planes...not testbeds like the Su-37 ect. F-22 is #1 due to it's low observability and likelihood of the all important first look, first shoot, first kill capablity coupled with unmatched maneuverablity. Typhoon is second due to it's fast cruising speed coupled with it's high sustained turn rate. F-35 due to it's advanced avionics which are modeled after the F-22 and don't forget that the F-16 level of maneuverability coupled with American pilots and AWACS makes this fighter venerable against any opponent. Su-30MKI,the best fully operational Russian-made fighter on the market at this time. It has a high degree of maneuverabilty with a powerful radar, long range and a very large payload which means it has unmatched combat persistence. And rounding it out is the JAS-37 which continues the Swedish legacy of making outstanding fighters. It has incredible maneuverabilty and a very advanced avionics suite.
That's my top 5
Originally posted by eastern_block
Originally posted by Hockeyguy567
Eastern block, you missed the point. I'm sure he was only saying that IF you think the Rafale and Typhoon are virtually the same plane then you would have to say that the MiG 29 and F-15 are the same plane. The point merely being to illustrate that they are NOT.
Not only did he miss the point, but he is totally wrong.
What the hell do you mean I'm totally wrong??? ... When comparing aircraft I would compare the Su 27 to the F-15 and the MiG 29 to the F-16, in both cases the Russian planes have come out on top, and there is proof to back my statements up.
Oh yes and one more thing... what kind of Russian do you think you are??!! an American under cover...???
[edit on 24-12-2004 by eastern_block]