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Originally posted by kilcoo316
Radar Cross Section
VLO/LO AIAA papers call it one and the same.
Anywayz, dealing with what is on the airframes.
-> The S-H has ducts angled along with tailplanes, and also co-alignment of most other detail surfaces to reduce reflectivity to certain planes.
So does the Rafale. Indeed, some major elements of its substructure have been shaped with reflectivity in mind. The S-H's has not.
-> The S-H has a screw within the duct to prevent radar hitting the compressor face.
The Rafale has a serpentine duct
-> The S-H has RAM incorporated onto various panels.
So does the Rafale.
There is nothing with regards radar treatment that the S-H has that Rafale does not.
Passive acquisition
The F-22 relies mainly on passive acquisition to achieve the kill rates it does, why should that be any different for any other platform? Everyone knows it is easier to see an active radar than be seen by an active radar.
[Don't anyone reply with that LPI pish - there are even books published on how to detect the damn things - check amazon if you don't believe me!]
Weapons
We are comparing aircraft here - since the Rafale can use AIM-120s, the point that the aircraft has inferior weapons to the Hornet is null and void as it can use the same weapons.
(BTW - the AIM-120D is not in service, so is void as well - unless we want to start going down fantasy lane)
Originally posted by waynos
To me this looks like not-very-much and I think that the LO properties of the SH may have been exaggerated on this board a little perhaps?
Originally posted by WestPoint23
But there are books on Amazon on how to detect those so it can't work.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Despite ALL other credible evidence saying the opposite.
Originally posted by Willard856
And there is no in-service Rafale carrying AMRAAM and Sidewinder. Consistency works both ways.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Originally posted by waynos
To me this looks like not-very-much and I think that the LO properties of the SH may have been exaggerated on this board a little perhaps?
Bingo.
I was just browsing though the post and have the impression that the SH is just a watered down F-22
Go check out some of the IEEE journals, there are absolutely loads of papers dealing with detecting LPI radarsets.
Originally posted by C0bzz
Would you happen to have any links for these documents?
Originally posted by James R. Hawkwood
4: Rafale (Its a darn good thing that beats the F18 SH and the SU 30/33 hands down)
Originally posted by kilcoo316
The F-22 relies mainly on passive acquisition to achieve the kill rates it does, why should that be any different for any other platform? Everyone knows it is easier to see an active radar than be seen by an active radar.
Originally posted by AlinFrost
And it's not the machine,the pilot makes the difference,a highly skilled pilot in a old aircraft can take out a state of the art jet with a poorly trained pilot in it.