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Religious Bias Issues Debated After Atlanta Mayor’s Dismissal of Fire Chief

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posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:28 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

Or people who are interested in theology. There's no such thing as bad publicity I agree but not every purchase is being fueled out of division. I personally think condemning gays is disgusting but we don't know how it was used in the book. What context was it? And still did he evangelize on purpose? I can't find a thing about it on the net does anyone else know?




posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:32 PM
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Freedom of speech in the United States




Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.





Public employee speech
Statements made by public employees pursuant to their official duties are not protected by the First Amendment from employer discipline as per the case of Garcetti v. Ceballos.


The 1st amendment says he is allowed to say what he wants..but it also does not protect him from the repercussion.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:34 PM
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a reply to: Onslaught2996

Hmm, so legally free speech applies but it's essentially a gamble? Your right to do so is protected but you may face problems?



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: Onslaught2996

Hmm, so legally free speech applies but it's essentially a gamble? Your right to do so is protected but you may face problems?


Yep..your allowed to say anything you want..just don't act surprised if you get fired for it.


As a public employee you should not be allowed to hold ill will to a certain group since your job is to represent all people.


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posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:40 PM
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a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

Yes it will be a mixture, but those that buy it out of interest would more then likely not have heard of it outside of this, hence no bad publicity.
And you know that the religious sites and pundits of the conservative side will be pushing to buy this out of spite.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: Onslaught2996

I agree 100% but I still can't say for certain if it was intentional.

If I was a public employee and I said "Praise Bob!" at work if the coffee machine was refilled or something, and didn't think it was evangelizing...but someone else did, I'd be protected by the first amendment but then I'd be at the mercy of the legal system. To think, simply because I said it in a casual context, I could be fired.

But then again, maybe I said it to spread my religion or something.

We honestly don't know what the intention was, but we do know it was said. So I'm reserving total judgement until I know whether or not it was intentional. I'm not too happy about the hating on gays though....



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

Tell me about it. Materialism/advertising makes me sick no matter who's pushing it/what the agenda is.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:47 PM
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a reply to: TheArrow


No, he actually didn't violate the law. Where has he discriminated?



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Losonczy

I do not accept your excuse for this man.

Are there gays raised in fundamental Christianity? That make excuses? YES, there are.





Wait a minute ... I thought you were saying Kelvin wasn't fired for his religious beliefs. But this quotation right here tells me that you find fundamental Christianity offensive (it is strongly implied)

So ... who is the tolerant one again?

I think Kelvin needs to sue ... because he will most definitely win. The 1st Amendment should never be subverted because one group is "offended" by what another group says.

You sound just like an ISIS terrorist complaining about a cartoon of Mohammed.

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posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:55 PM
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originally posted by: GeisterFahrer

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Losonczy

I do not accept your excuse for this man.

Are there gays raised in fundamental Christianity? That make excuses? YES, there are.





Wait a minute ... I thought you were saying Kelvin wasn't fired for his religious beliefs. But this quotation right here tells me that you find fundamental Christianity offensive (it is strongly implied)

So ... who is the tolerant one again?


There are gays raised in fundamental Christianity that still support the "abuse".

They still can't go against God. It's too engrained.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:56 PM
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a reply to: GeisterFahrer

What does this have to do with the first?

The first does not protect you from losing your job.

ETA:



You sound just like an ISIS terrorist complaining about a cartoon of Mohammed.

WOW!
Way to get that one in there.
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posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 12:07 AM
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The LGBTQ movement is nothing more than a socialist political movement established to censor anyone whom disagrees with their agenda. It has absolutely nothing to do with "equality" when they begin removing 1st amendment rights from others.

This movement has attempted to latch on to the Civil Rights movement - even quoting Dr. Martin Luther King (who just so happened to be a fundamentalist Baptist preacher).

A) LGBTQ were never sold into slavery (unwillingly, now we all know there were plenty of willing "slaves" subbing themselves out)

B) LGBTQ were never considered 1/3rd human by the US Constitution.

C) LGBTQ were never forced to live in a segregated society

D) LGBTQ were never barred from voting in an electoral process

So .. please, get a grip when trying to draw a parallel between your movement to become "socially acceptable" and that of a race of people that were violently and oppressively bought and sold as slaves.


Jimmy Carter is a fundamentalist Baptist and teaches a Sunday School class at his church. While President, he made several comments about his faith (and so has Obama) why is no one going after their jobs?

The liberal progressives in this country are fascists. It has been proven time and again. It was proven when Dr. Angela McCaskill sued when she was fired for the same thing. I can only hope the Federal Judge presiding over this new religious liberty case isn't too hard on the mayor - but the Mayor took an oath to defend the United States Constitution when he was sworn into office - and if he cannot do that, he needs to step down.

www.amazon.com...


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posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: Tangerine

Was he proselytizing? I still can't find any info on whether or not he gave out the book for evangelical purposes or simply as a gift? You'd be surprised how many people give out their own creations for gifts. It's the creator's equivalent of holiday cards with the sender's picture on the front.


It doesn't matter an iota what his motive was in distributing the book in the workplace. The same would apply to handing out Bibles in his workplace.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 12:37 AM
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a reply to: Tangerine

As far as we know the book only mentions gays in a small section of the book. It's not a Bible. Until we know whether or not it was intentional evangelism or his idea of a gift for unrelated reasons, we shouldn't assume.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 12:38 AM
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a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

No but he does say it is a book based on scripture.

Pretty sure it is a religious book



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 12:38 AM
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originally posted by: Onslaught2996
Freedom of speech in the United States




Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.





Public employee speech
Statements made by public employees pursuant to their official duties are not protected by the First Amendment from employer discipline as per the case of Garcetti v. Ceballos.


The 1st amendment says he is allowed to say what he wants..but it also does not protect him from the repercussion.



Apparently, you're unaware of multiple Supreme Court rulings about proselytizing on government property. This man was working for the government and distributed materials proselytizing religion in the workplace. He violated federal law. Secondly, the materials could be considered hate speech and promote discrimination, but the first reason, alone, was enough to get him fired.

Freedom of speech does not mean you can say anything anywhere at anytime to anyone or about anyone.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 12:39 AM
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originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: Tangerine

As far as we know the book only mentions gays in a small section of the book. It's not a Bible. Until we know whether or not it was intentional evangelism or his idea of a gift for unrelated reasons, we shouldn't assume.


It doesn't matter! It was a religious self-help book that talked about religion. Do you understand that? It doesn't matter why he handed it out to employees. It's illegal to do so. Do you understand that?



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 12:43 AM
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a reply to: Tangerine

Actually as pointed out above it isn't illegal, but he's not protected from consequences. But in all honesty, do you even care that he was fired for expressing his religious views? That is discrimination and it doesn't matter what religion it is.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 01:03 AM
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To those saying distributing a book at work is illegal ...

You actually need a refresher course on the law my friends:

www.lehighvalleylive.com...
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posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 01:05 AM
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a reply to: GeisterFahrer

I have a poor connection is the link in support of religious freedom or opposing?

Ah wait nevermind I think I got it lol.
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