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Democrats' Plan Would Benefit Middle Class, Target Rich

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posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

Sweden does not have a socialist economy--they absolutely have extensive social-welfare programs, but that are not a socialist nation, at least from the multitude of things I've read over the past few years on their economy (and the nice linky I gave you).

But, to answer your question...yes, I have heard of Sweden.




edit on 12-1-2015 by SlapMonkey because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Greven

A google search takes all of 2 seconds.

thefederalist.com...

www.cnn.com...

www.thefiscaltimes.com...

Hahahaha, oh buddy. Maybe you should read your original Forbes article a little better. Lemme help:

The following groupings contain three items of government spending pulled from the Wastebook, and one pulled from my own imagination. See if you can guess which one is the fake! Prizes for the winners.*

*Not a binding contract. No prizes will be awarded.

1 Animal Division

a. $387,000 to study the effects robot-provided Swedish massage has on the physical recovery of rabbits after exercise.

b. $856,000 to train three mountain lions to run on a treadmill in order to measure the energy consumption of the cats’ hunting techniques.

c. $171,000 to teach monkeys to gamble in order to determine if monkeys, like humans, believe in the concept of a “hot hand.”

d. $473,000 to house 100 chimpanzees in a room with 100 typewriters for the entire year to determine whether, if given enough time, they could recreate the complete works of Tucker Max.


Notice what it says there - which one of these is fake. If you'd bothered to read it, you would have noticed such a thing. Further, if you'd bothered to read the last page, you would have noticed this:

Answer Key

1. d is the false answer. They only needed one chimp for three hours.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Then maybe the government should be the only ones doing any investing?

HaHa


That's actually not a bad idea, I wouldn't back it though, as anyone that wants to invest should have the opportunity.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: TheArrow

Thanks for showing your username again! I didn't like seeing you in the dark. You don't belong in the dark. : )



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: SlapMonkey
IMO if everyone gave 1% of their earnings, then no one should be exempt. But then again living off the premise that you shouldn't give a dime (while living off the system) is essentially freeloading. So if you don't even contribute so much as a Christmas cookie to the firefighters, why should they prevent you from becoming next week's bbq if there was a fire?


This discussion is about federal taxes--local firefighters (should have) nothing to do with that, as those are local taxes that pay for their services.

Please don't intertwine the two. I'm only talking about a 0% income tax at the federal level.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

Also, keep in mind that my first post in response to this thread discussed a flat tax, which is basically what you just proposed. IF there is going to be an income tax, I think a flat tax is the way it should be handled, and it should do away with all tax exemptions, write-offs, perks, etc. It should be a one-page document and that's it.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: ladyinwaiting
THAT could mean a civil war.

ARE you ready for one?



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: NavyDoc
Oh, so you are a Marxist then.


If you want to label me, that's your prerogative. I don't find the label particularly useful in a climate of ignorance fueled by capitalist indoctrination.


If I have a house that is empty or even a spare room, you don't think I should be able to rent it for income? Why do you want to control my property and tell me what to do with it?


Not for a profit, no. Lower Capital Gains and suddenly real estate is no longer a desirable commodity and everyone that wants to can own a home.


Your second point is nonsense.


It isn't nonsense. You don't agree with what I'm saying, and that's fine, but you understood it, hence the little video at the end.


Yes, I understood it and that's why I know you are wrong, Marxist indoctrination aside. I wonder, you wear a Che Tshirt on occasion at the coffee shop?



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:10 PM
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It's fairly obvious that most people who responded to my inquiry into a Socialist country who has a thriving middle class do not understand what socialism is.

Social welfare programs or universal healthcare do not a socialist nation make--yes, they are pieces to the puzzle, but it all lies in the type of government and how corporations, goods, services, etc., are controlled in that country (in a very dumbed down way to make the point).

Just like many people like to call President Obama a Socialist, but he's not...he's just a far-left progressive with socialist tendencies (thinking the central government can handle socio-economic issues better than the individual).
edit on 12-1-2015 by SlapMonkey because: clarification



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
It's fairly obvious that most people who responded to my inquiry into a Socialist country who has a thriving middle class do not understand what socialism is.


It's fairly obvious that your post wasn't to be taken at face value since the middle class doesn't exist within the tenants of socialist terminology.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc
Yes, I understood it and that's why I know you are wrong, Marxist indoctrination aside. I wonder, you wear a Che Tshirt on occasion at the coffee shop?



But capitalism is working so well for the American people though, right? My choice of clothing shouldn't be the topic of discussion, and your remarks show the weakness of your position.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

Ah nothing like enjoying slave produced coffee while wearing slave produced clothing



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
It's fairly obvious that most people who responded to my inquiry into a Socialist country who has a thriving middle class do not understand what socialism is.

Social welfare programs or universal healthcare do not a socialist nation make--yes, they are pieces to the puzzle, but it all lies in the type of government and how corporations, goods, services, etc., are controlled in that country (in a very dumbed down way to make the point).

Just like many people like to call President Obama a Socialist, but he's not...he's just a far-left progressive with socialist tendencies (thinking the central government can handle socio-economic issues better than the individual).


Oh we understand what socialism is quite well, and there are no finer examples of that 'single payer' programs medicare, and medicaid. That are not even close to being single payer.

Where every one is using it. Hardly anyone paying for it hence the never ending GD TAX THE BLOODY EVIL RICH.

Those two programs have more people on them than most European countries entire populations.

Ultimately what socialism is all about is SOCIAL ENGINEERING the environment to suit the individual instead of what people have done long before government was a glimmer in mankind's eye. Adaptation to the environment.

All the while claiming the 'belief' in science. Where their policies are the antithesis of it.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: SlapMonkey



You think you should lose none of your money? Did I misunderstand your post?


Can we avoid honey coated BS words in this discussion? "I lost some of my money" makes it sound like an earner just misplaced 40% of their money... "Uhoh, where'd that money of mine get off to?"

IT'S THEFT, pure and simple. The question you should be asking is "You think you shouldn't have any of your money stolen from you?"



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: NavyDoc

Ah nothing like enjoying slave produced coffee while wearing slave produced clothing


You assume too much about me.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: TheArrow

Yet, people still jumped at the chance to try and answer it...ignorantly, I might add.

And the point of threads like this seem to laud the fabled point that socialist-style governing will make this grand socio-economic utopia, and it will not.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Sure we'll avoid it then, internet control panel worker #234. I was using that poster's words by the way.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:34 PM
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IT'S THEFT, pure and simple. The question you should be asking is "You think you shouldn't have any of your money stolen from you?"


That is definitely what taxation is.

Theft.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Taxation is theft, stealing your money. Authority is theft, stealing your freedom. Life is theft, stealing your time. Earth is essentially a prison, with government putting two plates of feces in front of you and saying "Well you do have a choice between the two...."



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

Wait it gets better !

Guess who some of the biggest tax DODGERS are ?

pushbacknow.net...

And who can forget Al Sharpton.

Rasing taxes eh!!!!!
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