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Why did He say it like that??

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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 07:13 AM
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Not sure if this is Religion Forum or UFO Forum ....

Yesterday's reading was Matthew 11:2-11 - Part of it reads like
this - "I solemnly assure you, history has not known a man,
BORN OF WOMAN, greater than John the Baptizer. Yet the
least born into the kingdom of God is greater than he."

Now, none of us were there 2,000 years ago when these words
were spoken so all we can do is guess and hypothesize based on
other scripture readings, etc. ...

Why didn't He (Jesus) just say - History has not known a man
greater than John the Baptizer. WHY did He feel the need to
put in BORN OF WOMAN? I know ... no one here is Christ, but
does anyone have any ideas on why he had to specify men
BORN OF WOMAN? Were there men NOT born of woman?
Was He talking about men vs angels? Was He talking about
those giants that the bible says roamed the earth? Was He
alluding to OTHERS that were not born of woman ... like space
creatures (ET's)?? Was he talking about those who have already
died and are in heaven ... the saints as those others not born
of woman? (that'd be a stretch)

Any thoughts on why He used the words 'BORN OF WOMAN'??




posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 07:19 AM
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I would assume because it was the way they worded things back then....but who knows



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 09:18 AM
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Lady V - that's what my husband says. We aren't speaking
the same language or the same way they did 2,000 years ago.
So we will never know.

But its' really tickling my brain. He was sooooooo specific.
Men - BORN OF WOMAN. Kinda like he knew there were others
around that WEREN'T born of woman. Saying men - born of
woman - is kinda redundant and unnecessary - unless there
were others that he knew of that weren't born of woman.
(ETs??)



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 09:58 AM
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"Born of a woman" means human DNA and egg from "man". Christ was a devine artificial insemination. There were others. Issac for instance. But Christs words were not for "his time" on earth. They were for ALL time.

Genisis speaks of Son of God and daughters of man. These were half-gods. I forget the proper term. But may have been to source of the greek and norse "gods".



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 10:36 AM
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FlyersFan,
If I were to address just that question... , I would say this... Each women of this world has to consider the moment when the time comes for her to bring life unto us all... At that Moment, it will be profound for her! If we were to Realize that pain(male) you would know those words that are trying to be expressed, (no greater pain) ... If Our Lord and God, were to express this message to those that have ears... We, that have eyes are to see a identity that is less then pure, where as John, he gave his head to proclaim his beliefs.... So for us to realize a Anti-Christ, (that we wish not to follow) (or maybe not) Will come from this one concept. He made us a image of himself. I wish I knew the whole concept of this, considering your commit of a ET... I will continue to ask the same questions...
Right now, I'm to sleepy,,

[edit on 13-12-2004 by jessemole]



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
Christ was a devine artificial insemination.
There were others. Issac for instance.


Okay, but .... (not being a smarta$$ , just trying
to figure this out)

Christ was still born of a woman. Isaac was still
born of a woman. (I hadn't heard that he was
of divine origin. I believe only Christ was)
The race of giants that the bible talks about
were still born of woman - even though
the 'fathers' were angels. (at least I think the
bible says that's what they were.)

I'm still stuck ... why diferentiate and make a very
outstanding statement - men, BORN OF WOMEN -
as if he had to make sure not to confuse others
that were not born of women???



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 10:52 AM
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Have you read Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code". ? Interesting read.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by jessemole
Each women of this world has to consider the moment when the time comes for her to bring life unto us all...


I never became pregnant (I had severe endo). We adopted.
A question just for God (that probably won't be answered until I'm
dead and standing before God to ask Him) - Why is it that
the women who WANT to have children end up not being able
to and the women who don't want to get pregnant, end up
pregnant and having abortions? STRANGE world!



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by dixon
Have you read Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code". ?


No. I HAVE read a book that debunks it.
Is there some tie in that the DaVinci Code has
to this sentence?



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 10:59 AM
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Perhaps there were "men" of history not of human origin. You got me. Gonna research this a while.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 11:08 AM
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"I solemnly assure you, history has not known a man,
BORN OF WOMAN, greater than John the Baptizer. Yet the
least born into the kingdom of God is greater than he."

Well, barring the idea that he know of a time in our future where women wouldn't be needed to bring children into the world, or that the church just thought it sounded good and threw it in there.
Well, my guess would be that those men, born of women are the "unsaved heathens" of the world, and those that are born into the kingdom of God are those that have been "born again" by accepting Christ as their savior.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 11:33 AM
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Story goes like this :

Jesus was born of flesh and blood, through the usual steps. He was not born of a virgin.

At the time of his crucifiction, he was actually married to Mary Magdelene and she was carrying his child. In fact, in Da Vinci's Last Supper, she is there with him on his right.

Now, the entire story concentrates on where and what is the Holy Grail. The conventional view is that the Holy Grail is the chalice/cup which Jesus drank from at the Last Supper.

The story puts the Holy Grail as actually Mary Magdelene. SHE is the Holy Grail. She was powerful and dominant and Jesus dearly loved and respected her. There is no doubt that Jesus was real and a most influential man of all time, but the play is on WOMAN and her womb being a carrier, developer and deliverer of the foetus, ie: life.

The importance/standing of WOMAN was consigned to "hell" by a pagan emperor whoi happened to be the one who chose the books of the Bible as we know it. Even Dec 25 is actually the same birthdate as a pagan God, which date pre-existed Christianity. The days for Easter, Lent etc were all voted on by a committee. For reasons of politics and control, the Books of the Bible were altered to make Mary Magdelene a prostitue and downplay the importance of women.

Interspread, he explains the role of the Knights Templar and another society called the Priory of Scion and the Roman Catholic Church and the Opus Dei mpvement.

The author weaves it well and it is worth a read. Hence, BORN OF WOMAN. The emphasis could be on the gratuitous reference to WOMAN to emphasise the importance of WOMEN.

Afraid I have not done a very good "book review". Still, definitely worth a read. The connection to the subject under discussion is uncanny.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
Perhaps there were "men" of history not of human origin.
You got me. Gonna research this a while.


THAT's what I am wondering about. Christ specifically said
- born of woman - as a qualifyer to his statement. That makes
me think that there had to be others around that were not
fully human and that hadn't been born of a human woman.

Was this a reference back to those giants in the old testament?
The hybrid of people and angels that were wiped out at the
time of Noah? Were these non-humans ETs?

Christ wouldn't have qualified the statement with - born of woman -
if he didn't need to. RIGHT? SO ... what was he referring to??



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by dixon
The emphasis could be on the gratuitous reference to WOMAN to emphasise the importance of WOMEN.


Ohhhhhhhhhhh. That could be. I'm re-reading it with an
emphasis on stating that great men come from women.
So this is kinda a pat on the head for the women, kind of
including them too? Is that what you think?? hmmmmm
Interesting.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Were there men NOT born of woman?


Not that I know of.


Originally posted by FlyersFan
Was He talking about men vs angels?


Interesting. Possibly. I could see this angle.


Originally posted by FlyersFan
Was He talking about those giants that the bible says roamed the earth?


They were born of a woman I think too.


Originally posted by FlyersFan
Was He alluding to OTHERS that were not born of woman ... like space
creatures (ET's)??


Doubt it. However if that's true, that means there are holy aliens. That'd be pretty cool. Wanna help write a best-seller with me?


Originally posted by FlyersFan
Was he talking about those who have already
died and are in heaven ...


At one time, they were born of a woman.


Originally posted by FlyersFan
the saints as those others not born
of woman? (that'd be a stretch)


Mom says I was born of her. Striking similarities, allergies, blood-type, etc. seem to verify.


Originally posted by FlyersFan
Any thoughts on why He used the words 'BORN OF WOMAN'??


I always thought it as emphasis to show he was a man of the earth and not a heavenly being. He seems to try to make clear and distinct his words to show who is what. Every parable it seems he has to explain at least twice to make sure people get it.

My favorite redundant phrases:

TV commercial - "It's like Deja Vu all over again."
Isn't Deja Vu something happing again?

Dr. Who - "We seem to be caught in an infinite loop. We seem to be caught in an infinite loop. We seem to be caught..."

And of course the dictionary...
Main Entry: redundant
Pronunciation: -d&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin redundant-, redundans, present participle of redundare to overflow -- more at REDOUND
1 a : exceeding what is necessary or normal : SUPERFLUOUS b : characterized by or containing an excess; specifically : using more words than necessary c : characterized by similarity or repetition d chiefly British : no longer needed for a job and hence laid off
2 : PROFUSE, LAVISH
3 : serving as a duplicate for preventing failure of an entire system (as a spacecraft) upon failure of a single component
- redundantly adverb

Gotta say it over and over again, don't we?



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by dawnstar
"those men, born of women are the "unsaved heathens" of the world,


Hmmmmmmmm. If I follow you ... Using this, Christ puts John into the same
category as the 'unsaved heathens'. Or am I missing what you said?



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 11:57 AM
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FlyersFan
Those reasons as to why some can give birth, others that can't are of some other reasons that we maybe have brought upon ourselfs... Rather it be our life styles, or a other force that we have no contol over.. We continue to make mistakes, the worst are when we consider the wealth in making the right choice and don't... Some make it without considering the unborn, There are to many of those that don't factor that in. Some of us, can only assist in making it right for the child that has only you/us to make his/her life important. Others will go to the way side... So far I see you have helped, by your adoption of this child. Your grief will be lessen by that desire to make a difference for the child that is before you... it breaths, their are millions that don't have a choice. Maybe this choice is being made for you. Thank you for doing this part for mankind! If only others could/would do the the same. I hope you can find peace in this for now.
I feel your pain in your words... but the chance to ignore that pain is when you pick up that child and say, I will help you make a difference because I can help you to do so. Its a gift! Not many have it.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by saint4God
Gotta say it over and over again, don't we?


There is that, isn't there? You'd think that men would
know that they were all born from women, but perhaps
they needed reminding??


Man ... this is REALLY tickling my brain.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by jessemole
Its a gift! Not many have it.


Our daughter is definately a gift from heaven.
I wish we could have adopted more, but it costs
so much $$$! (that's a crime that cries out to God.
Adoption shouldn't cost like it does!)



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Hmmmmmmmm. If I follow you ... Using this, Christ puts John into the same
category as the 'unsaved heathens'. Or am I missing what you said?


Hey, I'm only guessing....it's been a long time since I've been in a church....but, according to some preachers I have heard, King David seems to refer to Christ as his lord...just can't remember just how that sermon went. But well, it's kind of like just how all the christians of today put their faith in the Christ's life long ago, those that came before him, put their faith in his coming. Through that faith, ect, ect......

But, then well, if you have ever read some of what the bible says of these prophets of old, I think they were considered to be a little odd then also. Maybe Jesus was just trying to reassure people that yes, he's a human just like the rest, even if he is a little strainge.
Want to come over for some locust and honey tonight? yummy!!!




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