Sorry for the late replies everyone I have tried to respond to as many posts as I thought realistic, if i did not respond to your post directly I'm
a reply to: Klassified
The experience you describe once you "appealed to god" is similar to my experience, once I realized god does not exist. In other words, the day
I became an atheist after decades of being a Christian.
Very interesting, I found my atheism through skepticism and even then I called myself an atheist only out of intellectual honesty (i.e. I did not
believe in a god) but unlike most atheists I found on the net I could not be labeled "strong". To use Dawkin's spectrum I would have been 5. The
reason for this is that despite all the logical arguments strong atheists make at their core they are basically saying "since we cannot measure your
claims, they are wrong."
The reason I mentioned the epiphanies I had before my appeal to God is because I came to those conclusions by examining evidence and accepting
reasonable arguments. But the experience I had in my state of anguish was completely different, that's why I added to the title of this post..."am I
crazy". The only conclusions I can come to is...
1. What I experienced was a delusion.
2. What I experienced was not a delusion.
a reply to: intrptr
How does one distinguish between God comfort and comfort from delusion or the feeling from drugs?
The delusion part I will grant you, I have no idea. But when it comes to drugs, like I said in my post, I'm a drug addict. Drugs are pleasure, pure
and unadulterated. I have has experiences on drugs one might call profound (when you are in a bathroom but at the same time think you are in a jungle
it makes you think lol), but at the time of the experience in question I was not on anything.
a reply to: WakeUpBeer
The video made me laugh lol. Though I have issues with it (devils advocate mode on
). First off the personal relationship between man and God
is immediately framed as direct link to undisputed truth, while some religions may claim this...I never did...whats to say that the relationship
between God and man is not perfect, but flawed due to the reality of human nature and its capacity to conform to social pressures and result to
Secondly the point is raised that their cultures influenced their belief systems, well of course they did, how is this an argument against the concept
of God? Religions in modern society despite being formed in specific geographic borders are now international, and If you look at all religions and
compare their philosophies, all of them conform in some some way to the golden rule. They do so in many other areas as well mostly in areas concerning
virtue (e.g. prudence, temperance, humility, etc) . Who's to say that God's influence and or message is not felt through command and conformity, but
through the simple experience of living and gaining knowledge through those experiences. It seems evident to me that the conclusions we have reached
are not the product of religious conformity but by mans introspective conflict with its own nature.
The last point the atheist in the video makes is that if God had a message to human beings why is it so confusing given that he is a perfect being.
Perhaps God's influence is indistinguishable from reason, and given what I posit in the first paragraph of my response to your post, that would mean
that God's message (if it could even be called that) was never intended to be flawlessly interpreted or received, but instead to be discovered through
reason and self knowledge. The idea that God created a perfect is obviously wrong, because the world is not perfect. So how is this argument anything
other than one against dogma?
I know this video is satire but I must be candid here...most YouTube atheists are asses. Thunderf00t, TAA, Dusty, most all of them are bigots who hate
Take the risk of thinking for yourself much more happiness truth beauty and wisdom will come to you that way. - Christopher Hitchens - Yet
Another Dead Hero
That's what I always do
a reply to: canucks555
Question to all the religious people here relating to the "pornography being immoral" thing. Why do you think that viewing a naked body is immoral?
I don't know if I could be considered religious now or not lol, but I will give you my criticism of porn. The porn industry is fueled by drugs,
violence, and manipulation. For every story you find of a studio or producer that is positive you will find one that is negative. It could be argued
that rape occurs quite often in the industry both on and off the set. I have heard stories where women were in a situation where they wanted to stop
shooting but they simply wouldn't stop (look up Jen Chadbourne most recent video on YouTube she mentions some pretty crazy stuff).
Th industry (at least in its present form) is immoral, and its almost impossible to distinguish what porn is safe, and what porn displays someone
being victimized. I plan on making a thread about porn in the future, but I'm still getting use to my abstinence at the moment so I don't really feel
comfortable doing research. That being said, there is nothing wrong about looking at a naked body.
a reply to: IWant2Believe323
I had mine a little over 9 months ago and it was the most amazing thing. All I did was ask for help and immediately I was overcome with this
feeling like I was wrapped in a warm embrace. Then a thought of what I needed to do popped into my head and with it an unyielding sense of purpose
that has carried me ever since
Yep that exactly how I feel. I still don't know exactly what it is but I know I don't want to ignore it!
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