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originally posted by: iwilliam
That doesn't sound like kids playing, to you? Perhaps not actively. But here's the thing:
1- Real criminals, with real guns don't tend to just sit with them out in the open, on park tables. Sure, there is no shortage of dumb criminals, but 99.9% of criminals are not dumb or bold enough to do this. An illegal gun is a very serious charge. Doubly so for someone who already has a record. Everyone knows this. Especially the gang bangers.
2- Real criminals, with real guns, do not pick them up off the public table (thus taking legal possession) and put them into their waistband, when they see the police arrive. Nothing about that makes sense.
3- IF (and this is a pretty big "if") a real criminal with a real gun did in fact do something so stupid, their only next logical move would be to run, not stick around to confront the police and be caught with an illegal weapon which they just picked up from a public table.
Almost all of this suggests a person who doesn't have anything to hide (or run from.)
originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
I absolutely hate the "They should have shot to wound, not kill" argument. Any one who says that has been watching entirely to much Hollywood drivel.
You can shoot a person in the arm or leg and they can bleed out in seconds if an artery is hit. And Arteries are fairly large. Also not a lot of meat on a arm or leg of a 12yr old so even if the shot was taken, who knows where the bullet would have gone next. Other people have been killed in this manner.
Hold on a second. You said 'a non pro' but the cop is a 'pro' is he not?? So, yes he should have shot to injure not shot to kill! He knew the kid was around 12 years old and the person on the phone even said that the gun could be a fake toy one, so the cop should have approached more carefully the situation.
If you think...that a non-professional target shooter can do something like "aimed for the kids leg and just injured him," you don't understand defensive shooting at all.
Ed Tomba says one officer gave three commands to Tamir Rice to drop the weapon.
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Investigator Tom Meyer has obtained exclusive information on Cleveland Police drawing their guns on another 12-year-old boy with a fake gun.
The incident happened in late August near the intersection of East 89th Street and Superior Avenue. The boy was walking down the street, holding what looked to be a rifle.
When a Cleveland Police cruiser approached him, the unidentified boy reacted by running behind businesses.
WKYC News has learned that one of the officers involved in the foot pursuit was seconds away from shooting the boy. The boy was eventually caught and, at that time, it was discovered that the gun was a BB gun, resembling a .22 caliber weapon.
The boy was returned home to his parents' house, and was ordered to write a letter to Cleveland Police and the officers involved in the incident.
Dear Cleveland Police
I was stupid and retarded to have a b-b gun that looks real enough to may have been shot and killed by anyone who own or carries a real gun. I am also to young to be having a gun even if it's real or fake. I was also stupid to walk down the main street with it. I should have just kept it with my brothers friend and shouldn't have touched it at all. Even though I was walking I thinking in my head what if I get caught also what if I get killed. I am sincerely sorry for having the gun. I glad you gave me a second chance because I can't imagine being in jail cell because I would miss my family, my friends and especially my mom and dad.