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originally posted by: ispyed
a reply to: diggindirt
So its punishment. I think medical staff are far more responsible than your normal citizen. I'm sure they can be allowed to self-monitor responsibly. It is like being punished to help. Counter-intuitive.
You may see a reduction in people going to help in West Africa if they are going to be punished when they get home.
The real problem is everybody else.
People only have so much alturism.
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: diggindirt
I looked into this a bit yesterday/day before, and I believe that their commitment to MSF/DWB is 6-9 months but they go over for 3-4 weeks at a time, and MSF/DWB is saying this effectively doubles their time away from home.
Which brings up another point...some say that 21 days is really not even enough. Maybe in the majority of cases, but in a smaller percentage of cases, the incubation or whatever time you want to call it, is longer.
originally posted by: Gully
ACLU demands Christie give legal reason for quarantining nurse who's tested negative for Ebola
In response to an emailed inquiry from a New Jersey Advance Media reporter on Oct. 17 about whether the New Jersey Department of Health thought it had the legal authority to do additional more aggressive Ebola screening beyond those measures already being taken by the federal government, department spokeswoman Donna Leusner replied in an email that “The New Jersey Department of Health and local health agencies have statutory authority to maintain and enforce proper and sufficient quarantine within their respective jurisdictions. The Department is working closely with federal, state and local authorities, including the Office of the Attorney General, to ensure that screening protocols and quarantine continue to be handled in a medically appropriate and legal manner.”
New Jersey state law gives the Department of Health the power to “maintain and enforce proper and sufficient quarantine wherever deemed necessary,” and it also states that is “has the power to remove any person infected with a communicable disease to a suitable place, if in its judgment removal is necessary and can be accomplished without any undue risk to the person infected.”
A nurse put into isolation on her return from treating patients in Sierra Leone expressed anger at the way she was dealt with at Newark airport.
Kaci Hickox, of medical charity Doctors Without Borders, said the experience was frightening, and described seeing a "frenzy of disorganisation, fear and most frightening, quarantine".
She said she was kept in isolation at the airport terminal for seven hours and given only a cereal bar to eat.
….Hickox is a nurse who had been working with Doctors Without Borders in Sierra Leone. Officials said she was taken to a hospital after developing a fever, but Hickox said she was merely flushed because she was upset by the process.
…."Coercive measures like mandatory quarantine of people exhibiting no symptoms of Ebola and when not medically necessary raise serious constitutional concerns about the state abusing its powers," said Udi Ofer, executive director of the ACLU of New Jersey.
Doctors Without Borders said Hickox has not been issued an order of quarantine specifying how long she must be isolated and is being kept in an unheated tent. It urged the "fair and reasonable treatment" of health workers fighting the Ebola outbreak.
Ebola nurse 'made to feel like criminal' on return to US
Kaci Hickox tests negative but stays in New Jersey isolation
ACLU raises concerns over ‘abuse of police powers’
….Hickox, a volunteer nurse with Doctors Without Borders, was stopped at Newark airport in New Jersey, where she told an immigration official she had travelled from Sierra Leone. She endured several hours of questioning from officials wearing protective coveralls, gloves, masks and face shields. Her temperature was taken, and registered 98F. Then, she said, her temperature was taken a second time.
“Four hours after I landed at the airport, an official approached me with a forehead scanner. My cheeks were flushed, I was upset at being held with no explanation. The scanner recorded my temperature as 101,” she wrote.
Hickox said she was left alone in a room for another three hours before being taken to the hospital, where her temperature was again recorded. This time it was 98.6F.
“I sat alone in the isolation tent and thought of many colleagues who will return home to America and face the same ordeal,” she wrote. “Will they be made to feel like criminals and prisoners?”
….Doctors Without Borders, known internationally as Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), has warned against a mandatory quarantine on medics returning from Ebola-stricken countries, saying it would be an “excessive measure”.
….Guidelines set out by MSF state that returning medics should stay within four hours of a hospital with isolation facilities, but do not require that they avoid crowds so long as they do not display symptoms.
“As long as a returned staff member does not experience any symptoms, normal life can proceed,” the organisation says. “Family, friends, and neighbors can be assured that a returned staff person who does not present symptoms is not contagious and does not put them at risk. Self-quarantine is neither warranted nor recommended when a person is not displaying Ebola-like symptoms.”
….De Blasio told the same press conference that American medical professionals helping to tackle the outbreak in west Africa “are the people who will end this crisis”. He said: “We have to make sure that that flow of medical personnel can continue.”
…. the CDC had tightened its monitoring requirements for those arriving in the US from the three west African countries hardest hit by the outbreak. The new monitoring system goes into effect on Monday in six states – New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, New Jersey and Georgia – and will eventually be expanded across the country.
The new (CDC) guidelines will require anyone who flies from Liberia, Sierra Leone or Guinea – regardless of whether they are exhibiting symptoms – to check in daily with state and local health officials. They will be required to report their temperatures and the any appearance of Ebola-like symptoms, such as severe headaches, fatigue and diarrhoea. They will also be required to consult with health officials if they need, or want, to travel.
If there has to be quarantine, then it should be done before she goes on the plane, and not 12 hours later after arriving in another country.
originally posted by: pheonix358
originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: infolurker
I think she should whining.........wha.......wha.....wha. She made a choice and now she should live with it. How's that for dignity and humanity. I am wondering how much help someone this stupid could really be over in Africa.
She goes to another country to help the sick and the needy, something you did not do.
And all you can do is sit in armchair judgement.
I will tell you this, she has more compassion that most.
I expect the US to react with professionalism, is that not what the CDC is about.
There real first test and they are acting like they are fresh from kindergarten.
originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: NoNameNeeded
Mass Quarantine in the US: How Will It Work?
....Think ahead folks. God forbid Ebola comes to America. But if it does, and policy is set by fear, in fear, this is what will happen to YOU. Your children. Your family. Your friends.
applied epidemiology, biostatistics, public health surveillance, scientific writing, and working with the media, as well as emerging public health issues.
The charity Doctors Without Borders yesterday voiced concern and annoyance over the treatment of its nurse, nothing the quarantined volunteer was at University Hospital stuck in paper scrubs in an unheated tent.
The nurse, 33-year-old Kaci Hickox, hasn't received any indication of what is in store for her, and her organization hasn't been able to get much information on her behalf, said an official with Doctors Without Borders.