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originally posted by: AlphaHawk
No one has denied that you can get infected by inhaling aerosols, of course it's going to end up in the lungs, it's being inhaled.
originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: KnightLight
Add UPPER to what he says and it's true, as in upper respiratory system.
I did say I chose that particular source because it layed it out simply, I'm guessing you targeted that specific part of it because you can't address the other facts?
originally posted by: lakesidepark
I have read many threads and posted my replies to counter the disinformation and lies being pushed upon us by the CDC and NIH, but feel these facts are worthy of their own thread. I believe we are on the precipice of an event unknown in modern history - a pandemic that will establish a deadly pathogen across the globe, an event that will permanently change the world as we know it.
Too many people (including many menbers of this forum) have been deluded by the distortion of facts and the omission of even more important facts about this new strain of Ebola. I will counter the assumptions that, simply because we have an 'advanced' level of medical care, and are not in a tropical climate, and have much better sanitation and burial practices, with some facts that make Ebola as dangerous, and mabe even MORE dangerous, to us in this first-world country located outside the tropical zone.
1) Ebola is a very hardy virus that will thrive in a cooler climate, and will contaminate surfaces. We are being comforted by the CDC assurances that Ebola will not remain active for more than a few hours or maybe days, as it will die, especially outside in the sunlight. This is true - when tropical temperatures are also at play. What happens with Ebola when left on a surface at lower temperatures? It survives longer - days, weeks, MONTHS. It can survive indefinitely below freezing.
For reference, I will use Public Health Canada pathogen data sheet, found at this link:
Pathogen Safety Data Sheet - Public Health Canada
Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C).... Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20 and 250C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa). When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days.
The NBC camaraman that is in a Nebraska hospital believes he got Ebola by washing his car...
If Ebola gets here in the winter months, it will remain on surfaces for a much longer period of time than it does in the high temperatures and higher humidity of the tropics, and that will make tracing contacts and isolating the infected near impossible.
2) Ebola is a ZOONOTIC virus, and will establish reservoirs in our animal populations. This should be obvious, as we have bats and rats and mice, and we have other animals, like dogs, cats, pigs, and possibly other mammals, that will eventually contract Ebola and pass it thru those populations, establishing it as a native disease that will be with us forever.
From the same source as above:
Serological evidence of immunity markers to ebolavirus in serum collected from domesticated dogs suggests asymptomatic infection is plausible, likely following exposure to infected humans or animal carrion Footnote 32 Footnote 33. The Ebolavirus genome was discovered in two species of rodents and one species of shrew living in forest border areas, raising the possibility that these animals may be intermediary hosts Footnote 34. Experimental studies of the virus have been done using mouse, pig, guinea pig, and hamster models, suggesting wild-type ebolavirus has limited pathogenicity in these models.
For those that want more information on the studies done in animal populations, a good PDF link can be found here:
Dead or alive: Animal sampling during Ebola hemorrhagic fever outbreaks in humans
When Ebola spreads into our animals, handling meat will become a threat, hunting will become a threat, mice and rats will carry it widely, and even our dogs and cats will be a danger to us.
3) Ebola already has some airborne properties. And the CDC and Public Health Canada know it.
The CDC and the UN are forced to admit that Ebola is airborne
This article addresses both - that it is airborne, and that the health agencies telling us it is NOT are lying. This is the former CDC site with recommendations for health care workers - it was replaced on August 4th:
Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Hospitalized Patients with Known or Suspected Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever in U.S. Hospitals
This is the location of another former CDC reference - now being redirected to their new page:
CDC Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever Information Packet
The former page disappeared into the abyss of the web - unless you use the previous link to find it. Their new page has no information about aerosol or airborne, and minimizes the dangers of casual contact. It now sounds as if simple precautions are enough to avoid it.
The CDC wants us to think this is like HIV ("Baghdad Bob" Tom Freidan is even saying as much), but it is NOT. It is MUCH EASIER to catch this virus. The CDC did a wonderful job of dispelling the rumors and falsehoods about HIV, but that was a lot easier - since the correct information was also 'politically correct'. In this case, it is the opposite, and the truth is NOT politically correct - and the CDC is now the liar, not the informer.
Combine airborne (there is still a lot of semantics about this, however, there is a lot of researchers that state this is possible...for layman, 'airborne' and 'aersolized' is one in the same), with contaminated surfaces, in a cooler climate, in a country that depends on mass public transportation, and people that travel widely on a daily basis, and in concurrence with the regular winter respiratory diseases, with a government that is hiding the true nature of this threat, and we have a unique ability to spread this virus in ways that cannot be done in the hot climates of a backward country.
That is not only reason for concern, that is more than enough reason for us to take drastic measures to contain this epidemic to Africa and snuff it out there, before it gets established HERE - because HERE, we will never get rid of it, until there is only the remaining 30% with established immunity (i.e. the survivors of the mass die-offs).
Doom porn - this is apocylyptic doom porn. We should be protesting the governments of all of U.S. and Europe to stop all NON-essential travel to Africa, and pour our resources into treating it and stopping it THERE, as well as making sure it doesn't get HERE.
originally posted by: tony9802
a reply to: KnightLight
He's a farmer and a great researcher, and I'm sure that he would be able to teach you a few things about your immune system..let's all just go back to having our "Nutter Butter " cookies" tonight, tomorrow Ebola might be all over..throw some popcorn in with those while we all watch the movie "Contagion" together!
Do I hear resentment towards Adams...
then maybe you should not listen to the radio episode
Airborne or not it's contagious and lethal..
originally posted by: D4rcyJones
Demonstrating a virus can be transmitted without direct contact through the air is entirely different from that same virus being able to transmit its self through the air. Ebola is not airborne it simply does not transmit that way.
If everything that could happen under lab conditions was possible in the real world we would have cures for every disease and be flying around the universe at the speed of light.
Hot Zone is a great book written by an engaging author but biological and microbial research it is not. If Ebola were airborne it would be out of control on every continent 6months ago.