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originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: Restricted
I agree. I believe that the universe still exist even when we don't perceive it with our eyes or our other senses.
I know, it may sound silly to most people. But I feel that this is the truth. Otherwise, if the universe was merely a construct of our individual imagination, why would so many people point their telescopes at, say, the Andromeda Galaxy, and always get the same picture, no matter the individual?
The answer: the universe exist regardless of the individual, unless the individual of course starts physically tampering with it.
originally posted by: DazDaKing
a reply to: swanne
I think you may be thinking of it slightly wrong.
It's not that the universe disappears without humans or is completely relative to each and every individual, its that the form we perceive it in is completely a construct of our human minds. The way we see a galaxy for example, is completely subjective to the human sense processing system (generally speaking).
The way we feel heat, the way we see colours, the way we experience the physical laws and so forth, is completely unique to us. It isn't how the universe exists without us. It doesn't look like this without us. If you suddenly removed every human from the universe, it would still exist, but in the other relative forms.
If you remove ALL sense processing life (i.e down to the cell), then yes, the universe will truly exist as nothing but information, and WILL NOT hold some sort of solid objective form. Remember, solidity itself is a COMPLETE ILLUSION.
I know it all sounds extremely counter-intuitive, but it's practically empirically and logically deducible knowledge now. It is also very powerful knowledge.
We know for fact that an atom can and will exist in all possible positions until information is extracted from it by sense. It ignores all physical phenomena except the processing of sense, and only then does it choose to become what appears to us as a 'solid particle'.
The universe as we know it is literally held together by an awareness of this atomic transfer of information.
If you remove the awareness, you are simply left with atomic information, not physical phenomena (actual stars and galaxies for example).
Of course, that would logically mean that there had to be a form of awareness at the universe's birth, for the atomic information to keep acting under laws (and hence growing in complexity) rather than all choosing to exist everywhere (their simplest form).
A comical outcome to say the least.
originally posted by: DazDaKing
The way we feel heat, the way we see colours, the way we experience the physical laws and so forth, is completely unique to us.
originally posted by: VidGamrJ
Great post! I've always been a fan of the simulation theory and it's nice to see a post with lots of info about it.
Mr Mask, I've always been a fan of your video on the theory and I'm glad I can finally take this opportunity to thank you for making it. Your video is a great starter point for people who are interested in the simulation theory. It's straight to the point, has lots of valid arguments, you make it easy to understand, plus it's solid entertainment and will keep people watching and listening even if they think the simulation theory is BS.
At least that's what the double slit experiment has always suggested to me on a gut feeling level. The atom drops all properties as a particle and that confirms that it CAN drop the electromagnetic force which confirms that it is not defined from the start as a particle, but rather the source is defined by us as a particle.
If, for instance, any device is used in any way that can determine whether a particle has passed through one slit or the other, the interference pattern formerly produced will then disappear.
Why does the atom act as a probability function in the absence of information gathering?
I have no idea where you heard that the triple slit experiment negates any finding of the original double slit version?
What I'm saying is, how those 0s and 1s on the disc are perceived, and hence the accompanying forms/rules/graphics/physics etc. are entirely based on the processing system used.
However, what we can agree on is that those 'atoms' are 0s and 1s either way, and therefore the information is constant.