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Obamacare Architect Says Society Would Be Better Off If People Died At 75

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posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 04:50 PM
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From a government perspective, wouldn't it be desirable for all Americans to die immediatly upon becoming eligible for retirement?





posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: sheepslayer247

But,

the I.P.A.B. is actually *IN* the ACA law,

due to unpopular opinions and exposures however, Congress just hasn't funded it (yet), or has allocated a minimal amount?



I think the Progressives are 100% in favor though.

Subtle suggestions often lead to reality.


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posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 04:52 PM
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a reply to: arjunanda

You're thread made me think of this movie from when i was young Logans run where you reach 40 you die

i hope Soylent green is people is just a movie
i will not sleep tonight thinking about this
or it could be the 20 mugs of joe

viooz.ac...



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 05:26 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Indeed, it's in the law. But it has not been funded or implemented because of a crazy, ignorant group of people that lack reading comprehension and intelligence keep whining about it being a death panel.

If they'd step away from whatever they are smoking, they would support this because it's objective is to find ways to save money in the healthcare system.

God forbid we actually try to save some money in our government.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: ausername
From a government perspective, wouldn't it be desirable for all Americans to die immediatly upon becoming eligible for retirement?



Yes, absolutely!

I can see some progressive bringing it up for consideration soon. Just so we can all ponder it of course.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 05:48 PM
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originally posted by: sheepslayer247
a reply to: xuenchen

Indeed, it's in the law. But it has not been funded or implemented because of a crazy, ignorant group of people that lack reading comprehension and intelligence keep whining about it being a death panel.

If they'd step away from whatever they are smoking, they would support this because it's objective is to find ways to save money in the healthcare system.

God forbid we actually try to save some money in our government.


Amen, just look at the amazing job they are doing now with saving money.

I mean, really too bad they got caught paying fat bonuses to officials in the VA for killing off those expensive needy veterans... Imagine what they could do with obamacare if those same people would mind their own business and let the government do what it can to save money...




posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: ausername

It is this sort of negative mind set that will never allow for true fiscal responsibility in government. You will always find a reason to be against progress towards a better-running government because you're scared and stuck in your ways.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: sheepslayer247

They've been trying to build a better running government for over 200 years now, and it has only gotten bigger, more expensive, and in the way of real progress, while proving they are incapable of any fiscal responsibility... They can't even run the postal service without financial problems... And you want to give this monster government domain over your healthcare?

Good luck with that.




posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 06:36 PM
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Tell Mr. Architect that he built a crappy house thats gonna collapse before any of us hit 75!



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: sheepslayer247
a reply to: xuenchen

Indeed, it's in the law. But it has not been funded or implemented because of a crazy, ignorant group of people that lack reading comprehension and intelligence keep whining about it being a death panel.

If they'd step away from whatever they are smoking, they would support this because it's objective is to find ways to save money in the healthcare system.

God forbid we actually try to save some money in our government.


Look when you bend treatment decisions away from effectiveness and toward cost efficiency. It ceases to be about best patient outcome. The IPAB is nothing more than a panel of bean counters making treatment decisions based on money, not effectiveness. The end result is to ration care and refuse people treatment options that they otherwise would be able to consider.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: sheepslayer247
a reply to: ausername

It is this sort of negative mind set that will never allow for true fiscal responsibility in government. You will always find a reason to be against progress towards a better-running government because you're scared and stuck in your ways.



The best thing to do is to cut it entirely. Why pay someone to make my health decisions?

Let me do that like I was before.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: sheepslayer247

They've been trying to build a better running government for over 200 years now, and it has only gotten bigger, more expensive, and in the way of real progress, while proving they are incapable of any fiscal responsibility... They can't even run the postal service without financial problems... And you want to give this monster government domain over your healthcare?

Good luck with that.



If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know that the post office is/was actually quite profitable. There was one reason and one reason alone that the post office had/has issues and it's due to a stupid regulation that requires them to pre-pay billions in retirement funds.

It has been the desires of the "free-market" folks in congress to not allow the legislature to take that regulation out because they wanted the USPS to fail.....opening up the massive profit potential to the corporate sector.

Same sort of choke-hold has been on the VA. They are trying to strangle it to death and force everyone in to the private sector insurance companies.....that actually do have "death panels".

It's funny how little people really know about what's going on. That's sad.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
a reply to: ausername

It is this sort of negative mind set that will never allow for true fiscal responsibility in government. You will always find a reason to be against progress towards a better-running government because you're scared and stuck in your ways.



The best thing to do is to cut it entirely. Why pay someone to make my health decisions?

Let me do that like I was before.


They are not making health decisions. They are supposed to streamline process' and bargain for better deals on services and medicines.

Only the uninformed and loony nutbags think otherwise because it's all in black and white for anyone to see.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: sheepslayer247

It's really all about perspective. You see government as good, serving the interests of the people, and they know better how to run our lives, control our choices, and build a better country for all of us...

Some of us, not having our heads up the ass of our government tend to see things differently...

I can respect your perspective... No point in debating how great our government is at running everything... We can agree to disagree.




posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 07:04 PM
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No, it's not about perspective. It's about knowing what's actually going on and why things are being done a certain way. Your lack of response to what I just posted means that you probably didn't know anything about it.

It's the desire of many to bleed those institutions dry to force their services to the private sector....which will increase prices of services. To help that, certain groups and political ideologies disseminate propaganda to their followers. Sadly, it works.

I don't think the government can do everything for the people, but it can do some things. And I will not parrot talking points that have been shoveled to me when there is evidence to suggest those beliefs or talking points are completely false.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: arjunanda

Is this the same person who advocated killing children up to 1 year old since they have not develped a personality by that age?


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posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: sheepslayer247

Of the two certainties in life "death and taxes" maybe through ignorance and apathy we deserve a government that can assure you do both, on their terms?

Thanks SS for the needed diversion in conversation from all that other stuff.....

Back to the real world...

See ya.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 07:17 PM
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They are not making health decisions. They are supposed to streamline process' and bargain for better deals on services and medicines.


Is there any evidence of that actually happening?




posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: ausername

So you didn't know about it. Got ya.

Continue on believing the doom porn.



a reply to: xuenchen



Is there any evidence of that actually happening?


No, because the outrage machine stopped it's implementation. It hasn't been put in place....but you knew that. Therefore, why ask such a stupid question?

If you really want to know it's purpose, read the legislation. I remember you used to cry about Obama and the left not reading the ACA before it was passed. So I'm sure you've read it, correct? You're not a hypocrite are you....therefore you should know exactly what its designed to do.

But then again, you're not here to talk about truths. You're here to push an agenda and flood ATS with piles of emoticons and unnecessary division and fear.

I have things to take care of, so I wish you a good night. Many, many people were enlightened today about your agenda-driven fear campaign here on ATS. I'm glad that I could take part in exposing more people to the lies and filth you peddle.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 07:57 PM
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Absolutely right, I concede to your vastly superior wisdom and knowledge on everything government.

Doom porn?... lol

You too, continue believing in your almighty government.

Seriously, we have much bigger problems ahead. Real doom, not porn. Too bad, we may never get to see obamacare fully implemented, the aftermath of that would have made for a great discussion with you.





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