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Please vote Yes Scotland...so we can all move forward.

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posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 08:01 AM
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I have long thought that a no vote would be better for the UK as it would clearly bring calls for change to the current Union. My hopes were that this would provide a fairer governance which would be mutually acceptable to all of us, Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland, and England.

As the day has arrived my thoughts have changed towards hopes for a yes vote because a slim no isn't going to solve anything. The passionate percentage of folk demanding 'freedom' will not be going away even after a democratic vote, we'll have the same old same old arguments continuing over and over again.
Already we are reading claims that the campaigns were rigged, scare-tactics, media bias, blah etc and to be honest, as a Welshman living in England I just want my continuing country to move on for the future now.

A vote yes will mean that all the disputes between yes/no will continue in a foreign country and won't affect life in the continuing UK.
A vote yes means that the government of my country will be ruthless in the 'divorce' negotiations and screw the best deal over Scotland that it can get, by whichever means possible. From legal bullying to shady sweetener deals with the Shetlands to go after a share of their oil, if it benefits the UK then Westminster will chase it. As a citizen of the UK I benefit from the deals Scotland is forced to agree to.

Yep, a vote yes will draw a line in the sand and we can both move on as foreign nations, but I expect my country to treat an independent Scotland no differently to any other foreign country, and I'm glad to be living in the more stronger union if/when harsh negotiations begin tomorrow.

The worst outcome in my mind now is a slim no vote and the endless cycle of whinging about 'freedom' holding back aspirations for a fairer Union for all of us.
Good luck Scotland, but don't be crying when the continuing UK government really pulls the knives out after a yes vote...it is something you should expect to happen.




posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 08:20 AM
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How about No.

I voted No. Keep the UK together.
edit on 18-9-2014 by cyberheater because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 08:28 AM
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a reply to: cyberheater
A slim vote will not satisfy those who cry 'freedom' and I fear they will just continue chasing yet another vote over and over while doing nothing to improve the Union for all of us.
I want this issue finally put to bed after so many years of it, and it seems that only a yes vote will allow us all to move forward.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 08:44 AM
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I'm not sure the Yes vote will win,I get the feeling the No voters have kept their voting intentions secret untill today when they make their voice heard

Cyber,good man I think the UK is stronger with Scotland in it and our military lads for right or wrong in the political deception of the current wars we have entered have stood shoulder to shoulder as brothers and equals
For so many years


This will be close.could be anyone's to be honest

All we can do is wait



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Vote yes so I can leave the US of authoritarians. This place is offensive to anyone with a conscience. The things that are3 done with my tax money are absolutely unacceptable. I'll apply for citizenship ASAP if the rules allow it. Maybe they will boot the banks out?

BTW, The US will be reprising the role of the third reich in WW3. The world will judge Murica harshly as they judged Germans harshly.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 08:49 AM
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Yes let them go, and suffer they will.

We should outright refuse any currency union from day one, and if they refuse to take their proportion of debt, we should refuse them any access to any of the assets, I would refuse to let them use any of the UKs government institutions or quangos (DVLA, CAA, Highways Agency, Network Rail, OfXXX, MHRA, NICE etc) and make them pay the full costs of setting up their own versions.

Also Parliament needs to be dissolved as you cant have foreign MPs and a new GE called.

Bae will have to close its ship building for the new type 26s the CVFs can be transferred to Hareland and wolf docks in Belfast same as the boomers. Unfortunately that means at least 6000 jobs gone in Scotland.

The unemployed in Scotland will have their benefits stopped state pensions will also be stopped same as child tax credits working tax credits.

There can be no open border with scotland as they wont be in the EU.

The majority of goods they sell is to England be prepared for import TAX .

The Yes campaign have based their whole economic forecast on oil selling at $113 a barrel an above.

In the entire history of selling oil it's been at that figure for just 4 months.

There oil brings in 27billion a year the UK has to give them 38billion a year to run.

Truthfully i dont want my Scottish brothers and sisters to leave but be assured if they do go London will not make it easy for them,If i can think up of these things and im pretty thick just imagine what real clever people will do to Scotland.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: cyberheater

Thank you.

In my view, the people of these isles are stronger together, even if they are all as cheated of democracy as one another. At least if we are together, we have that much. We must thrive or die, and do it all as one people.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: Whereismypassword
I will be happy if it is an overwhelmingly strong No vote because it should silence those who want independence once and for all, but out of a possibly slim Yes or No, I hope for yes, so the arguing can continue north of the border and we can concentrate on improving the union for the rest of us.
Slim No just means more whinging over and over for another vote. I'm sick of it and it's holding our country back, so if half of Scotland is split I prefer them to argue amongst themselves as a foreign nation, allowing the continuing UK to move on and chase the best deal it can in negotiations.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 08:55 AM
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Let's look at this logically to understand why No will win this referendum.

The polls were about even between the yes and no voters up until voting point. But we had about 20% of all voters undecided. These undecided are fence sitters, these are the people that are scared of change, so even if they thought the yes camp argument was good they don't want to take the risk.

On the day, which is today we can estimate that probably 15% of these undecided will vote No.

If we do some rough maths, that all equates to, 55% No, 45% YES.

So that's my prediction, you heard it here first.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

I do see where you are coming from and I agree if it's a narrow defeat for the yes campaign this situation will arise again in a few years

But as mentioned by Daz there still are many floating voters and IMO some people may have just said yes to avoid confrontation from nearby campaigners as passion can run high and when your out shopping the last thing on your mind is getting into a political argument when your outnumbered :-/

Could be close.Im guessing the No campaign will win



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: Whereismypassword
a reply to: grainofsand
I agree if it's a narrow defeat for the yes campaign this situation will arise again in a few years

That is exactly what I don't want as I believe it is holding the UK back.
If they vote yes then we can all move on and any continuing arguments will be in a foreign country which has half it's population wanting to be in the UK. Sorry for those union supporters stuck in an independent Scotland but I'm sick of the arguments and will be happy to see an end of it with either an overwhelming no, or a slim yes vote.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

The thing that holds the UK back, is a central government which has no ability to conceptualise the needs of the citizens correctly, and therefore no ability to represent any of them. If you want that to change, then we have to organise against Westminster, and Whitehall, and act to force the entire cabinet, and every MP in the country, to resign their positions, to be replaced by people who actually respect the offices they would be occupying, and the FACT that the government are supposed to be our servants, there to do the bidding of the people in affairs of state, and represent us in our own Parliament, and on the world stage.

No matter what happens in this ballot for Scotlands status within or without the UK, Westminster and Whitehall are going to need cleaning up, right down to the bedrock. Until that occurs, the UK will be precisely as weighed down by the behaviour of its leadership, as it has been for the last thirty years.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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As a Briton i want us to stay together, but in all seriousness many smaller countries with less to offer economically have been fine, so once they get rid of Salmond and then realise that their socialist paradise is bollocks, they will be fine.

....and they would have to be pure crazy not to rid themselves of bloody Westminster.

But then they must be crazy to want the pound still and the BoE etc etc.

Frankly the whole affair is still a horrible mess.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit
I agree completely, and if Scotland votes yes then everyone left in Wales, N.Ireland, and England has a shared interest in supporting positive change for the continuing UK. All those who do not want to be with us will no longer continue to distract from that political aim anymore.
I want the Scottish independence question settled finally tomorrow, and I hope that the Yes voters accept democracy in the event of a No vote....so we can all move toward improving the Union, for all of us.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: skalla
As a Briton i want us to stay together, but in all seriousness many smaller countries with less to offer economically have been fine, so once they get rid of Salmond and then realise that their socialist paradise is bollocks, they will be fine.

....and they would have to be pure crazy not to rid themselves of bloody Westminster.

But then they must be crazy to want the pound still and the BoE etc etc.

Frankly the whole affair is still a horrible mess.


Not so fast...
Sovereign Scotland could defy globalist banks.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: skalla
Frankly the whole affair is still a horrible mess.

I think we can all agree there.
Perhaps the result either way tomorrow will be the UK political acne that has finally burst all at once.
If we all face it head on and clean it up properly we could have a fairly decent union of nations with everyone wanting to work together. But, with half of Scotland not wanting to be in the Union I wonder if it could be better for those who identify as continuing UK nationals if they left.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

This is the problem that I have had with the entire Yes campaign from the beginning. Every Yes voter I have spoken to on these boards, has been of the opinion that although they hold no grudge against the English people, they have a significant axe to grind with Westminster. So the issue has never really been about whether the people of Scotland wanted to be a part of the Union, but whether they want to be ruled by the collective of increasingly disconnected oafs in the Parliament at Westminster.

Since the Scots are united with a great mass of the rest of the UK on that very point, it makes no sense to leave the Kingdom, when the focus ought to be on mobilising ALL of those who oppose the rotten muck in Westminster, in one great push for the freedom of ALL the people of the United Kingdom, from the back door tyranny under which we have lived thus far. There has been no such effort thus far, and until there is, there will always be a better option on the table, than a division of the nations.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit
I think the voters have heard you and share your sentiments ...
Registered No Voters Are Switching to Yes On The Doorstep

Canvassers for the Better Together campaign have told Breitbart London they are seeing registered ‘No’ voters switching to ‘Yes’ on the doorstep. Although the picture is still hazy the movement has caused concern in the No camp.

Nic Conner from Bow Group, who has come to Scotland especially to campaign was one of those concerned. He said: "There were a lot of people who were no voters in the past but have switched to yes today. We have tried to ask them but they won't tell us, although they tend to be elderly people."
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There are also large numbers of undecided voters still at this stage. George Rea from Aviemore in the Highlands told us that he was intending to vote but still did not know which way to go

Might be a game changer and tipping point, but as the article notes, a shift in numbers was, and should have been, expected. I still think it is going to be really tight.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit
I agree, but I can't see the pro-independence half of Scotland ever devoting their energies toward improving the Union for all of us in the event of a slim No vote, so I see them as a hinderance perhaps better left to go their own difficult way with a slim Yes vote.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: AllSourceIntel

If they really shared my sentiments, they would be less interested in leaving the UK, and more interested in further uniting its people, by a unified effort to oust the Westminster elite from their thrones.



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