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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: AlephBet
All this looks very, VERY, familiar. If I cared, I take the time to look back and see which banned member you are, but it's just doesn't' matter.
Why do you feel the need to project your religious nuttery on to others? Go find a lost soul who needs your help. Be like Jesus and stop judging everyone else and worry about leading by example.
The testimony of John in his Gospel, the three epistles (1 John, 2 John 3 John) and Revelation are true. As for Paul, there are many who say his writings are the ones Jesus warned about. Paul may have been the one coming in his own name (apostle to the Gentiles / uncircumcised). Peter was the apostle to the circumcised. John was the true message if we take it this way. I am still working on this idea and may eventually determine this to be the case for myself. It may simply be the book of Revelation he was speaking of.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: AlephBet
Enoch was right, enjoy your pulpit, preach as much as you like, but if you keep wanting to blame masonry for all your shortcomings, you will never be able to fix yourself. The difference is, masons won't seek you out, they wont try to make you join, they won't tell you how wrong you are, in fact, if you don't bother them (us) you will notice that they (we) won't bother you at all.
You, sir, are an occultist. I don't know if you embrace that fact, or reject it, but you are.
John 13:
6 He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, “Lord, are you going to wash my feet?”
7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”
8 “No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”
Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”
Wow, Peter must have had a stanky crotch! Can't you see how these meaning changes might be offensive to actual Christians?
Regardless, my only advice to you is to understand that what you are achieving when you "realize" an occult meaning like the fact that feet in the Bible refers to genitals, that what you are actually achieving is simply rewiring the meaning map in your brain, and trying to get others to do the same. Its a psychological process, not a spiritual one.
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originally posted by: tridentblue
a reply to: AlephBet
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Regardless, my only advice to you is to understand that what you are achieving when you "realize" an occult meaning like the fact that feet in the Bible refers to genitals, that what you are actually achieving is simply rewiring the meaning map in your brain, and trying to get others to do the same. Its a psychological process, not a spiritual one.
originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: Rex282
Ad Hominem is useless on ATS. Neither of you have addressed the points made in the thread, but instead attack me. This is the sure sign you have nothing to say. If you would like to refute what has been presented, or show error, you must speak to the subject and leave me out of it.
Ad Hominem is not an argument for or against anything. Pick a topic, like feet being a euphemism for genitals, and then argue it. I clearly showed you a link (there are many more) that tell you the same thing. Find a link that says it does not, then we'll argue its merits.
Pick another topic from the OP if you care to and then show me how I am in error. This is how you deny ignorance. You cannot deny ignorance without some truth other than your disagreement or mindset. Facts are required.
originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: Rex282
Perhaps one point at a time:
WIKIPEDIA
In Ancient Semitic religion, specifically Canaanite religion, the term Adon (ʾdwn, Hebrew אדון, from a triliteral "hollow" root D-I-N or D-W-N, cognate with Akkadian adannu "mighty"[citation needed]), literally "lord, patron", has been in use as a theonym from the Late Bronze Age at least, contrasting with Ba`al "master
In Canaanite (Ugaritic) tradition, ʾadn ilm, literally "lord of gods" is an epithet of El, but ʾadn could also be an epithet of other gods, especially Tammuz. The epithet of Tammuz enters Greek tradition as a proper name, Adonis, the youthful lover of Aphrodite.
Hebrew tradition makes Adon "lord" or Adonai "my lord" an epithet of the God of Israel, depicted as the chief antagonist of "the Ba`als" in the Tanakh. The epithet came to be used as an euphemism to avoid invoking the deity's proper name, Yahweh.".
2 Peter 1:19 (Latin Biblia Sacra Vulgata)
et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris
2 Peter 1:19 (KJV version)
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
If you think Isaiah refers to Lucifer as an actual spirit here are some things to consider:
Did Lucifer destroy cities and hold prisoners (Isaiah 14:17)?
Can Lucifer have a burial like the others of his land and people - The Babylonians (Isaiah 14:20)?
Lucifer was a King according to Isaiah, one of the most powerful Kings who had children - The Babylonians who build cities and hold prisoners - who had many of his own Babylonian people die due to his tyranny. None of this sounds like a spirit to me but a physical being.