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originally posted by: clay2 baraka
originally posted by: tsingtao
originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks
Can Palestinians simply walk out of Gaza? Even with Guns pointed at them from the Israeli watch towers?
without being shot in the back? good question.
i'd make sure i had a white flag on me, tho.
originally posted by: Astrocyte
originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: clay2 baraka
These people never ever had the chance to leave the area in 60 years! Then why are so many of them in Jordon? and in other parts of the world
Tired of Control Freaks
“This is our country – our country exclusively,” he writes, “including Gaza.”
Feiglin writes that the Israeli army must “designate certain open areas on the Sinai border, adjacent to the sea, in which the civilian population will be concentrated, far from the built-up areas that are used for launches and tunneling. In these areas, tent encampments will be established, until relevant emigration destinations are determined.”
“Tent encampments,” where the Palestinian civilian population would be “concentrated,” are simply concentration camps.
“The supply of electricity and water to the formerly populated areas will be disconnected,” he adds.
He then calls for the “formerly populated areas” to be “shelled with maximum fire power. The entire civilian and military infrastructure of Hamas, its means of communication and of logistics, will be destroyed entirely, down to their foundations.”
The Israeli army would then “exterminate nests of resistance, in the event that any should remain.”
Feiglin’s plan has clear genocidal intent in at least two respects: he denies that the Palestinian people exist and he defines Palestinians collectively as an enemy and target because of their religion
UN: Palestinian children tortured, used as human shields by Israel New UN human rights agency report claims Israeli forces arbitrarily arrest Palestinian children in Gaza and West Bank, subject them to degrading treatment, exploit them to scope out potentially dangerous buildings and use them as shields to deter stone throwers.
NO - sadly, most jews couldn't go back to where they came from. They came from countries overtaken by the germans.
Those jews who managed to crawl back out of the death camps returned to their homelands and found their neighbours living in their previous houses and not really into giving them back.
It was the arab militia who told them to leave - not the jews. Why are you holding the jews responsible?
By 1937, the amount purchased by Jews increased to 579,492 dunams, and by 1948 almost 80 percent of the land available for sale had been bought up by the Jewish people. The rest of the land was ownerless desert, which was taken over by Israel after the establishment of the state. When the League of Nations handed the mandate over to Britain in 1922, it stipulated firmly in Article 6 that the "Palestine administration should work together with the Jewish Agency to encourage intensive settlement of the land by Jews, which should include the land owned by the state and the uncultivated or waste land, as long as this land is not needed for official purposes." It is astonishing that nowadays nobody seems to be interested in the facts. While everyone has an opinion about this conflict, few take the trouble to check out how the Land of Israel legally became Jewish property. People prefer to embrace the stereotypical Palestinian lies which accuse the Jewish state of forcibly driving the Palestinians out of their homes, although this was mostly done by Arab landlords who cared nothing about "Palestine." Today, the Arab world is trying to push the "crimes" of their ancestors, who effectively "sold out" Palestine 80 years ago, onto the Jews and the State of Israel.
Theodor Herzl (the founder of Zionism) was an atheist whose personal awareness of Jewishness appears to have been awakened during the 1894 trial, wrongful conviction, and imprisonment on Devil’s Island of Alfred Dreyfus, a French artillery officer of Alsatian Jewish descent accused of spying for Germany. In his diaries, Herzl makes no secret of his intention to use Jewish suffering as a means of furthering Zionist ideology. His vision for a Jewish state had nothing to do with “ … I will also bring them back to the land that I gave to their forefathers and they shall possess it” (Jeremiah 30:3). Herzl actually considered various other locations such as Uganda and Argentina for his Zionist state and his view of Zionism and Judaism was more akin to that of Chaim Chassas who in 1943 in the Zionist newspaper, Ha’Arutz, said:
“Zionism and Judaism is not one thing but two different things. And of course two contradicting one another. Zionism starts at the place where Judaism is destroyed … one thing is certain, Zionism is not a continuation or healing of wounded Judaism, but rather an uprooting.”
Zionism has never had any qualms about the loss of Jewish lives so long as that loss furthered the cause of Zionism. In the book 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis, editor Lenni Brenner, uses actual historic documents to demonstrate the betrayal of Jews by Zionists — before during, and after the Holocaust — even to the extent of offering to fight for the Nazis on the understanding that after Germany won the war, Zionism would be rewarded with Palestine.
originally posted by: twfau
So Israel phone people up and warn them that they are going to bomb their house and expect them to pack up and leave everytime. There are always going to be some people for whom their house is their whole life. I've seen interviews of people who said when they received the phone call they went on the roof and refused to move. Who knows what motivates them to do so, whether they were forced to do it by Hamas, or were convinced that it was right, or that it had been an effective strategy for others in the past, or perhaps they are just a desperate people with little else to lose these days...
Either way, if bombs weren't targeted on or near civilians homes, then I'd guess that less civilians would get killed.