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Elie Wiesel: Stop Using Kids as Human Shields

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posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Can Palestinians simply walk out of Gaza? Even with Guns pointed at them from the Israeli watch towers?




posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 01:29 AM
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Who is the worse scum? The people that use children as shields, or the people that shoot at children being used as shields?



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 01:52 AM
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originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Can Palestinians simply walk out of Gaza? Even with Guns pointed at them from the Israeli watch towers?


without being shot in the back? good question.

i'd make sure i had a white flag on me, tho.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 02:04 AM
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originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Can Palestinians simply walk out of Gaza? Even with Guns pointed at them from the Israeli watch towers?


without being shot in the back? good question.

i'd make sure i had a white flag on me, tho.







posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 04:41 AM
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a reply to: clay2 baraka

These people never ever had the chance to leave the area in 60 years! Then why are so many of them in Jordon? and in other parts of the world

Tired of Control Freaks



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 04:41 AM
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originally posted by: clay2 baraka

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Can Palestinians simply walk out of Gaza? Even with Guns pointed at them from the Israeli watch towers?


without being shot in the back? good question.

i'd make sure i had a white flag on me, tho.






yeah, that's a fake vid.

his head is still in 1 piece.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 04:47 AM
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originally posted by: Astrocyte


I'm still missing the reason and or explanation why it is I should believe Elie Wiesel and Israel just because they say something? Are they completely exonerated from being able to LIE and SPIN?
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posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 04:50 AM
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originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: clay2 baraka

These people never ever had the chance to leave the area in 60 years! Then why are so many of them in Jordon? and in other parts of the world

Tired of Control Freaks


That's not the point, If Gaza people tried to leave they would be shot on sight... Probably even if they held a white flag saying we give up.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 05:23 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



originally posted by: DarknStormy
If Gaza people tried to leave they would be shot on sight...


Which bring up the Gaza Border with Egypt and the Rafah gate. Hamas demands that the gate be wide open for free flow of Palestinians back and forth to Egypt. Egypt says 'no way' and it doesn't trust Hamas. It knows Hamas will set up operations against Israel in Egypt and Egypt wants no part of it. Egypt is allowing wounded people from Gaza into Egyptian hospitals and it's allowing aid to flow into Gaza via the Rafah gate. But Egypt won't open the gate and it says the fault for this is with Hamas, not Israel.

The Guardian

"[Egypt's] official line is pretty clear: we support the Palestinian people, condemn Israel's attacks on civilians and want to facilitate aid, but we blame Hamas for the current situation," says Mr Amrani. "In practice, this policy means that the humanitarian aid is stalled, hostage to Cairo's desire to keep up the pressure on Hamas."


And this article discusses what Elie Wiesel (good author!) has said about child victims -


Inside Egypt's hospitals, doctors say they have been shocked at the number of child casualties. "It's more than 20% … the situation is bad," says Dr Sami Anwar, director of the Arish hospital, 50km from Rafah. "One four year-old girl had a panic attack when she awoke – she couldn't see anything or find anyone. She'd been blinded," he says.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




edit on 8/4/2014 by FlyersFan because: fixed quote



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: Astrocyte

This remains the largest point of contention that I have with the modern Libertarian party. Our civilization does have mortal enemies. Israel is a microcosm and a prescient indicator of the nature of the next global fight against totalitarianism. We should consider ourselves lucky (and the Israelis rather unlucky) that we have an opportunity to observe the phenomenon from relative safety for now.

“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.” ― Golda Meir
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posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Israel does not have a right to exist. It was created by the Nazi Zionists on the blood of Jews, Muslims and Christians. The Zionists had 3 country choices for their creation of Israel. Uganda, Argentina and Palestine. Obviously they chose Palestine. They justified the take over of Palestine by saying that the Jews were the chosen people and that land was originally theirs. This was the lie they fed to the Jews in order for them to agree to move there. The King David story and God's chosen people is an utter fabrication.

There is no proof that there ever was a King David in the first place. They used the Jews to grab someone else's country. And it also might surprise people when u tell them that the same Zionists who created Israel are the same filth that created the Jewish Holocaust.

Hamas is a part of Israel created by the murderous Likud Party which which Netanyahell is a prominent member and founder.

The Human shield stories are mere propaganda and lies to justify the Israeli atrocities against the Palestinian children. Israel is killing civilians because it wants to!

As the Israeli Parliament Deputy Speaker Feiglin said recently in letters to Netanyahell:


“This is our country – our country exclusively,” he writes, “including Gaza.”


Uh! No it's not you Numpty!


Feiglin writes that the Israeli army must “designate certain open areas on the Sinai border, adjacent to the sea, in which the civilian population will be concentrated, far from the built-up areas that are used for launches and tunneling. In these areas, tent encampments will be established, until relevant emigration destinations are determined.”

“Tent encampments,” where the Palestinian civilian population would be “concentrated,” are simply concentration camps.

“The supply of electricity and water to the formerly populated areas will be disconnected,” he adds.

He then calls for the “formerly populated areas” to be “shelled with maximum fire power. The entire civilian and military infrastructure of Hamas, its means of communication and of logistics, will be destroyed entirely, down to their foundations.”

The Israeli army would then “exterminate nests of resistance, in the event that any should remain.”


That all basically means a Holocaust of the Palestinian people. He like Netanyahell are Nazi Fascist Zionists. They are what we called in the second world war 'The Third Reich'. Netanyahell is the 21st Century equivalent of Adolf Hitler. His deputy prime minister Feiglin is just another SS Officer beating the Genocide drums.


Feiglin’s plan has clear genocidal intent in at least two respects: he denies that the Palestinian people exist and he defines Palestinians collectively as an enemy and target because of their religion


This guy along with the rest Israeli Parliament should be stopped tried for Crimes against Humanity and HANGED like their friend Saddam was.

Israel is an illegally created ROGUE TERRORIST STATE! It has NO right whatsoever to exist!

Israeli Nazi calls for extermination and genocide



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 11:17 AM
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Is he talking to IDF?

... because IDF is constantly using human shield (and targeting civilians, google: dahiya doctrine)...

google: IDF human shield

or watch this old BBC report:



or lookie here:

UN report on IDF



UN: Palestinian children tortured, used as human shields by Israel New UN human rights agency report claims Israeli forces arbitrarily arrest Palestinian children in Gaza and West Bank, subject them to degrading treatment, exploit them to scope out potentially dangerous buildings and use them as shields to deter stone throwers.


so, the question is: is Elie so unintelligent to ignore the facts, or is he spreading disinfo on purpose?

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posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 11:29 AM
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Even reporters from the BBC think the Human Shield story is a load of BS



And who owns the BBC?



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 11:35 AM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks



NO - sadly, most jews couldn't go back to where they came from. They came from countries overtaken by the germans.

Surprise WW2 is over Jews are not being persecuted in these nations anymore.



Those jews who managed to crawl back out of the death camps returned to their homelands and found their neighbours living in their previous houses and not really into giving them back.

Kind of like the Palestinians now huh?



It was the arab militia who told them to leave - not the jews. Why are you holding the jews responsible?

It was the Zionist that chose this land to settle on. Also the ethnic cleansing that Israel started showed the Palestinians they were better off getting out of there.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 02:43 PM
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Do these jewish people have any confidence that they will not be harassed again. Are they wrong to want a place to in the event of another pogram like the ones that have been occurring around the world for at least the last 500 years.

No - not like the palastians at all! The jews were rounded up, their properties and assets confiscated and shipped to "labour camps" were they were worked to death or just out right killed for not being a big enough asset to the labour required.

The jews BOUGHT most of the land where the original state of Isreal was founded. The muslims that owned other parts were invited to stay and continue living their lives in peace and harmony, which they continue to do to this day.

It was the arab militia that intended to massacre the jews and the warned the original refugees to get out of the way if they didn't want to get hurt. Unfortunately, it just didn't go as planned.

Again - you fail to understand that the jews BOUGHT and PAID FOR the land! Just because you are a squatter for generations, does not mean you own the land. When the government sells you out- you must apply to the courts for justice or make way for the new owner.

Tired of Control Freaks



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 02:54 PM
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Jew purchase of land

www.wildolive.co.uk...




By 1937, the amount purchased by Jews increased to 579,492 dunams, and by 1948 almost 80 percent of the land available for sale had been bought up by the Jewish people. The rest of the land was ownerless desert, which was taken over by Israel after the establishment of the state. When the League of Nations handed the mandate over to Britain in 1922, it stipulated firmly in Article 6 that the "Palestine administration should work together with the Jewish Agency to encourage intensive settlement of the land by Jews, which should include the land owned by the state and the uncultivated or waste land, as long as this land is not needed for official purposes." It is astonishing that nowadays nobody seems to be interested in the facts. While everyone has an opinion about this conflict, few take the trouble to check out how the Land of Israel legally became Jewish property. People prefer to embrace the stereotypical Palestinian lies which accuse the Jewish state of forcibly driving the Palestinians out of their homes, although this was mostly done by Arab landlords who cared nothing about "Palestine." Today, the Arab world is trying to push the "crimes" of their ancestors, who effectively "sold out" Palestine 80 years ago, onto the Jews and the State of Israel.


Tired of Control Freaks



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 01:38 AM
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That's a load of rubbish. The Jews never bought any land. The state of Palestine was taken by force and Terrorism. It was never purchased. The Jews had no right to land whatsoever. The land had nothing to do with them other than the fact that some Jews along with Christians and Muslims were living there before it was invaded by the Nazi Zionists.

The Jews claim to the land told to them by the Zionists that they were the chosen people of King David was a total fabrication.

Your just repeating the dogma and propaganda the Zionists repeated to convince the Jews to relocate there.

Again people like you FAIL to understand the true roots of Israel. The Zionists had 3 countries in mind to take over as their land. Uganda, Argentina and Palestine. They chose Palestine because of it's position in the Middle East and because it would be easier to take over as the Palestinians had no formidable Military force to enable them to defend themselves from invasion.


Theodor Herzl (the founder of Zionism) was an atheist whose personal awareness of Jewishness appears to have been awakened during the 1894 trial, wrongful conviction, and imprisonment on Devil’s Island of Alfred Dreyfus, a French artillery officer of Alsatian Jewish descent accused of spying for Germany. In his diaries, Herzl makes no secret of his intention to use Jewish suffering as a means of furthering Zionist ideology. His vision for a Jewish state had nothing to do with “ … I will also bring them back to the land that I gave to their forefathers and they shall possess it” (Jeremiah 30:3). Herzl actually considered various other locations such as Uganda and Argentina for his Zionist state and his view of Zionism and Judaism was more akin to that of Chaim Chassas who in 1943 in the Zionist newspaper, Ha’Arutz, said:

“Zionism and Judaism is not one thing but two different things. And of course two contradicting one another. Zionism starts at the place where Judaism is destroyed … one thing is certain, Zionism is not a continuation or healing of wounded Judaism, but rather an uprooting.”


You need to brush up on your history and stop repeating Propaganda and Lies. Land was not bought. It was seized by force!


Zionism has never had any qualms about the loss of Jewish lives so long as that loss furthered the cause of Zionism. In the book 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis, editor Lenni Brenner, uses actual historic documents to demonstrate the betrayal of Jews by Zionists — before during, and after the Holocaust — even to the extent of offering to fight for the Nazis on the understanding that after Germany won the war, Zionism would be rewarded with Palestine.


Rewarded with Palestine doesn't sound like paid for to me! The only price paid was BLOOD!

The real Jews in the so called state of Israel have no idea they have been used yet again to forward the Zionist agenda. The Jews you see watching Gaza being attacked whilst clapping and cheering are ignorant of the facts of the creation of Israel. They believe the lies and propaganda fed to them by the Zionists. They have now turned into Racist Zionists and are no longer Jews. The real Jews throughout the world that know the truth continue to protest against the Zionist Terrorist regime because they know the truth of what Israel is and how it was formed.

Anti-Semitism - The Ultimate Weapon of the Zionists

People who want to know the truth look for it and don't wait for the Propaganda machine to give them the lie!



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:39 AM
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Uh - "rewarded with palistine" does not refer to giving land to Jews. It refers to the creation of the Jewish State by the UN.

You can't just buy land and create a state, you know.

Tired of Control Freaks



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 09:00 AM
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The creation of Israel by Terrorists. The same Zionist Terrorists that orchestrated the 'Holocaust' along with their comrade Hitler. There was no land bought. Only taken. And the UN? They had no right giving someone else's land to anyone.

And the UK Balfour declaration might as well be toilet paper!



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: twfau
So Israel phone people up and warn them that they are going to bomb their house and expect them to pack up and leave everytime. There are always going to be some people for whom their house is their whole life. I've seen interviews of people who said when they received the phone call they went on the roof and refused to move. Who knows what motivates them to do so, whether they were forced to do it by Hamas, or were convinced that it was right, or that it had been an effective strategy for others in the past, or perhaps they are just a desperate people with little else to lose these days...

Either way, if bombs weren't targeted on or near civilians homes, then I'd guess that less civilians would get killed.



By the same reasoning, if hamas did not fire its rockets from nearby to schools, or build concrete lined tunnels and bunkers under houses, schools, and hospitals, Israel would not bomb them.



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